Only a complete MORON could think that Barack Obama is "out of touch" with the problems confronting America. Safety Harbor

I understand the campaign tactic that if you accuse your opponent first or loudest or most often of what could be said about you, you are safe from that potential attack being used against you. Unfortunately, whatever attractions Mr. Romney has for his GOP voters, being in touch with ordinary Americans is not high on their list. And most Independent voters think Mr. Romney is out of touch, certainly more out of touch than President Obama is; however, some may not view that as negative. People who support Mr. Romney are typically 1% wanna-be's so being in touch and understanding what the rest of us experience isn't a big deal to them. Mr. Obama has personal experience as a ordinary American; his wealth from writing his books is recent. President Obama is also a stickler for good manners and treating all people with respect. I think President Obama tries very hard to stay in touch with what ordinary people are doing and thinking. I don't think Mr. Romney cares very much or knows very much about the life of ordinary Americans so he doesn't even try. Gulfport

I am not a big Romney fan, but I think he is right on this issue. Obama has done little or nothing to help the common man since he has been in office, its almost like a 3rd term Bush. I think he is doing the best he can, but is not equipped for the job and no experience in any kind of work or government. Neither one ever talks about the issues, they only put each other down like a couple of 5th graders. Clearwater

Slick Mitt with his millions is so out of touch, I can't believe the republican party thinks he is the best choice for this country. What happened to Condoleezza Rice?

you guys are unbelievable. Here it is. Obama is pres. 1. unemployment is up. 2. economy sucks 3. housing market sucks 4. gas prices are double 5. added over 5 trillion to our national debt. 6. added 20 million americans on food stamps. I could go on and on. We need to get this loses out of the white house. melbourne, fl

Does anyone remember John Kerry. He is worth 100's of millions. You libs are such hypocrites. Its only ok when your candidate is rich but not a republican.

Of course he is out of touch with our problems, and so is Romney. Neither of them has a clue what it's like to try to feed a family of four on $50 a week. I think they are both typical lying politicians, and whichever one I end up voting for in November will hopefully be the (slightly) lesser of two evils.
I also think that choosing to call anyone with an opposing viewpoint a moron is childish and intolerant.
Port Richey

IT"S THE ECONOMY STUPID! Obama has complete disdain for American exceptionalism and the capitalist system that made this country great. I don't care whether you drink beer or cognac, you had better have an idea of how the economy works if you are going to be the leader of the free world. It is patently obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of economics that you cannot drive energy prices through the roof, spend and print so much money that the dollar isn't worth a dime, and use a trillion dollars of taxpayer bailout/stimulus money as a personal slush fund for the benefit of political bundlers and union thugs. Obama is certainly "in touch" with some very dangerous people. If you are a young person (30 or younger) you should be outraged at what this administration is doing to the future of this great nation and the bill that is going to come due in your lifetime. This man and his administration are a DANGER, whether they are in touch with the common man or not. They certainly know how to exploit, indoctrinate, obfuscate, and propagandize toward the great unwashed masses. Yeah, they're in touch with the unemployed, SSI disability, welfare, food stamp, union dues collecting, tree hugging, Occupying Lemmings! As you were

Well reading these posts from the tea party crowd on here, it is sad. They know nothing, they cut and paste every falsehood about the economy and use phrases like exceptionalism as if that makes them smart. What I have learned from reading this thread is that it is not only Romney who is out of touch, most people who are posting on here aren't even from this planet they are so out of touch with reality.

I couldn't have said it better Phil, people do not do their own due diligence anymore, they believe everything their candidate or Fox News tells them.. It will get interesting when we get closer to the debates, and the commercials start coming out on all the lies Mitt has told, and the facts that back it up... He has a lot to try to come clean about.... It still amazes me in this world of instant information, that people rather be spoon fed, as long as it fits their world view..

Lemmings. Open minded, empty headed lemmings.

And right there is the problem--- why are we all so divided and sure our point of view is right? Calling names and slinging mud...when we should ALL be digging in to the issues and figuring out which one will help things get better in this country.

My question is simple, why would a man hide so much? He has his education records sealed...why? Why would he not have stopped the birther situation immediately by providing instant proof? Have you ever read the 2,000 pages of Obamacare? Either has he. Why can he not speak or debate without teleprompters? Why did he say he did not know anything much about ACORN yet we know the truth? Everyone hated Sarah Palin and said she had no experience.....yet what experience did Obama have? America has been smooth talked and it will really pay for it. Check the demographics of his voters and you will see why we are where we are. I think that if you had to pass a basic intelligence test to vote, we would at least have someone in office voted by informed and somewhat intelligent voters. The list does go and on yet the blind who defend him have really looked the other way. Regardless, corruption has absolutely taken over.

This president has no clue what faces the average citizen in today's market.

Dale may be harsh sounding, yet 100% correct. I believe if people did their own research, they may be shocked at what is happening. However, I truly believe this man is in office due largely due to demographics, political promises, and people who believe the government should take care of them. Funny, society blames teachers for educational problems, when the truth of that problem is society. I once thought it was the children.....no, it is society teaching them. Their idols are Rappers, NBA players, and NFL players. In other words.....our future society things thugs are cool. But thats another story.

By the way, does Obama have any thug influence? HMMMMM one more question, What are his CZARS? yes folks......Obama has many friends who he pays, does not provide ANY information on them, yet who do you think WROTE the 2,000 pages of Obamcare? Thugs known as CZARS....paid for by those of you who pay taxes......turn your head and look the other way. That is the new "American Way".

Denise, is it not interesting that everything Obama does is ALWAYS compared with someone else? Also, everything that goes wrong is because he inherited the problem? And when things go right, he takes credit (example: killing Bin Laden) ? All of those operations were IN PLACE to take out Bin Laden......Obama just turned on his private TV to watch....yet he did it.......Anything successful that Obama REALLY is responsible for? Anything?

HAHA Obama is so out of touch and his head is stuck so far in the back of the closet he can see Narnia!! He has no idea about what to do to fix anything. His liberal socialistic views are a complete failure like most socialistic ideas. let his ass go down the road and let the Morman in, I am not sure he is the answer but i DO KNOW that Obama is NOT.

If Obama is out of touch with the average American, then Romney would have to be out of touch with all on the Planet Earth.

Who offered to make a $10,000 bet against a fellow Republican candidate?

Who said that his wife "drives a couple of Cadillacs"?

Whose income level, over the last twenty years, has been multiple times those near the top of the American income stream?

And I don't think Romney's campaign would want to have attention focused upon how large Romeney's income has been relative to the average American's income level.

The answer to all of those questions, of course, is Romney.

Obama, like other Presidents (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan), gets too insulated due to security concerns and the demands of the job, but he is far more in touch with the average American than his Republican opponent.

And, no, I am not a Democrat, and I am not a liberal, but I do know the difference between blowing smoke and using distortions, as the radical right has been doing, and "walking the walk."

No, President Obama is not "out of touch". The man is in the thick of it! There's really no one more IN TOUCH than he is. He's got a plan. He's steering the ship. And this storm will pass with him at the helm.

Seminole, FL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo&feature=fvwrel

Anyone who is a diehard Romney fan needs to see this video ... short, sweet, simple and to the point ....

http://front.moveon.org/robert-reich-explains-how-mitt-romney-got-obscenely-rich/

When those on the right are ready to talk in FACTS, I'd be happy to debate. That will NEVER happen.
As that comedian says, "you can't fix stupid".
You want to confuse a Republican? Watch this.....
Tell us of the Romney achievements as the leader of the executive branch of government in Massachusetts...
I bet you the silence will be deafening

The reason my questions are old Shelly "brain child".....is that they are facts and never really addressed. I am not here to endorse Romney nor am I here to down Democrats. He is a scary guy and he has fooled people like you. I have never seen someone with such ability to hide things. Since when has an administration been able to run the government without a budget? Hello, anyone home Shelley? Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. But hey, many people like Socialism...and probably you do as well. You can rip on Romney, but you cannot take success away from someone. And how can a politician who never did anything other than be a politician know anything about the real world? How can someone who has never been a fireman how to fight fire? Tell a Dr. how to treat a patient?.....other that what he has been told. You can never beat experience. Period. Tell the truth and be proud, open your records and stand proud, answer questions directly, walk a mile in a worker's shoes to experience working, reveal who and what the CZARS are. Quite hiding EVERYTHING Mr. Obama and I will definateky econsider what I say. Until then your name is Corruption Obama.

Sorry.....I was talking to LYNDA in my previous post.

Obama has not been creating or prolonging most the problems that exist currently. He is dealing wigh a lot if problems that Mr Bush created

Wow! I can't believe how much hurt is being done to each other with words over people we don't even really know and issues we can do nothing about. I deal with abused children and broken homes on a daily basis. And I can tell you from personal and direct professional experience that the core problem we are having in our society is not Washington. We have all turned from basic human dignity, ethics, civility, and morality in our quest for enlightenment. Just look at how we are treating each other on this simple debate. When kids are committing suicide & homicides at an alarming rate, when parents care more for drugs than their kids and the main though is ME focused, we are losing from the inside out. And no President in any country can fix that unless he/she leads by example. That, I have not yet seen.

I have an idea. Since just about everything on here is a cut/paste from either a liberal rant or a conservative rant, how about if you list a "fact", you also put the source of your"fact". Bottom line is most Americans, and that includes you, will believe anything if they hear it enough. That's why the folks in politics say the same thing over and over and over and over. So I put the challenge out to everyone, give us the source of your "facts" and it can't be from a talking mouth from TV or radio. Otherwise you may as well be saying that Obama came to this planet from Saturn and Romney was created from magic dust. And if it's said enough, there will be people that believe it. Enough with the name calling, just support your"facts".

And where does one get the "true facts?"
The television news is biased, depending which network you watch.
Likewise, the radio talk shows and newspapers also have their own bias.
Some one suggested Google.... have you ever Google-d GOD?
So where does on turn to get the real, undiluted facts? Everyone has their own opinions, which is quite obvious from this very heated "discussion."
My opinion is this; no president can lay sole claim, nor sole blame, for the condition of our country. This a democracy. Together, we all take the blame and we all claim the credit, as we ELECTED our government.
I'm sure someone on this post will also have an opinion about me, as well.

This president is probably the most inept leader this Nation has ever had. He's the perfect example of the "Peter Principle". He entered office with absolutely no experience in real world training. He only had book smarts which in practicality doesn't work in the real world. He then made the mistake of hiring mostly scholars to fill key positions within his administration. There in again, people with no real world experience.

Its unfortunate to say that if Obama was white he would never have been considered to be a serious candidate by the Democrats or anyone else. The fact that he was a man of color is the only reason he is sitting in the oval office. There are many great, well respected and qualified men of color in this country who would make an excellent president. Obama just isn't one of them.

You folks are unbelievable if you think a president can do anything when his hands are tied and the republicans veto everything to block any kind of help the country needs and then hollars foul when he does not approve their ideas. The republicans in congress are completely out of touch with the average person who is trying to make a living and they are the problem. They are in the pockets of the lobbyists and big businesses who actually run our country and if you are not aware of this you are living in a BIG DREAM WORLD folks. Obama may not be the best choice for us, but Romney is only out for himself, he is OUT of touch with the real world.

I lived in Massachusetts when R(money) was Governor we were 47th in job production, unemployment was through the roof, taxes were increased several times on the middle class ( the wealthy got more exemptions). and he created one thing that republicans refuse to talk about--OBAMA/ROMNEYCARE-- I'm sorry but I had to live under R(money) once and I dread having to go through it again. now Romney is saying that people with prediagnosed conditions can be refused by insurance???? I hope you don't have high blood pressure and your kids aren't ADD or some other possible disorders. please think before you vote, I'm talking from experience -- the middle class and retired were clobbered by his reign of terror.

1) There are 13.5 million officially unemployed people in our nation, and the number that have not worked for half a year has risen from 43.9 percent to 45.5 percent in the past month. Labor force participation is at an all time low of 64.2 percent which means that too many people have left the labor force because they think they can’t find work, or they can’t afford to look. In statistical la-la land, if you stop looking, you're no longer counted as unemployed.

2) The economy isn't going to recover very soon, we have too much entitlements and trying to increase more of them. We have Politicians saying we must do something but they're the ones who created the debacle. I believe, the insanity coming from washington on results of the same ingredients that caused this mess must be changed. The change that needs changing are the Politicians themselves, That includes OBAMA (yes we can guy). Now, as long as people refuse to look at the problem caused by the Politicians themselves who by the way, keep blaming someone else for the problem they created; this debacle will continue.

Obama has appointed many czars, so did Bush, but the czars obama has appointed have communist leanings, which in turn follows obama's ideology. Remember; the obvious reason for appointing these people is (1) they're neither elected by the people nor consented to by the Senate, (2) they're there precisely to expand the power of the Presidency, and (3) they answer to nobody but Obama.
So, you can see where this goes, Obama Care? yeah, 2000 pgs. full; nobody, NO BODY read it! you had one individual say " it must be passed to find out what's in it".
another individual said " takes too much time to read and understand what it is" these are our legislators back slapping the POTUS and his appointed czars keep pumping the same ole same ole.

Okay, folks, listen up. This is one repub tactic you will see again and again. Nationally Mitt has been seen as a rich candidate who is completely out of touch with everyday Americans. (Note recently he did not even know the name of a donut in a diner). So whenever they have a fault, they about face, point a finger at the other candidate and accuse that opposing candidate of that same thing, whether it is true or not. That way they try to obscure the subject. So read it like Mitt is out of touch, they know it, and so use the finger pointing tactic. Mark my words it will occur in different forms again and again. Don't be fooled again.

I can't believe the right wing lunatics who are posting about "marxist" or "socialist" leanings. I hope that no left wing lunatics start calling Romney a "fascist" or "totalitarian dictator" or "puppy killer."

Hell, Obama isn't even sufficiently "liberal" to suit the left wing of the Democratic party.

The man is slightly to the left of center, not unlike some centrist Republicans who are slightly to the right of center.

If I had a magic wand, I would transform all the extreme left-wingers, and all the extreme right-wingers, into lizards and snakes and truck them down to the Everglades to let the Burmese Pythons help clean up America and restore the political sanity that prevailed during the time of Eisenhower and LBJ and Reagan.

If I had a nickel for every libtard who think all Republicans are conservative I'd be even richer. Obama, while charismatic is not a leader and has socialist views. That's not being derogatory that's just facts. Historically all liberal presidents are crap. (then of course they will blame it on Bush, who was bad also BTW) Obama ain't the guy, sit his ass on the sidelines and let someone else run it, they may not do better but it would be hard to do worse.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg

Knowing, unless you've been asleep, Obama's leanings are Socialist, he would rather have this Nation like Europes. Just by the facts and ideology he has it's fact...

Now, the big question to those of the Obama Ivory tower cult, which system do you want to live under? C'mon honestly, both sides side slip in the direction of total entitlements not caring where the money comes from for the support of them. People, stop and think! Don't let emotions override common sense or facts as presented. When someone states a fact, research it yourself! Like most people though, laxness takes precedence above due diligence.

The economic mess we are in is not the fault of any former or current President- the fault lies with the people- you and I, for letting it happen and letting it continue. For instance, it is easy to say that the bail out was a failure. It was started under republican leadership and was continued under democratic leadership. While I do not like the results of the bail out, I have to wonder if we would have been in worse shape had nothing been done and had we gone into a deep depression? Where we are in terms of economy, military, healthcare and a host of other issues is a direct result of those we elect to all offices- the Congress, the Senate, the President etc. Career politicians come in all forms, democrat, republican, independent, tea party etc. Still, we put them there and if we do not require they properly represent us and act in our best interest AND we do not fire them when they fail to properly represent us, it is the fault of the people. It is time for our representatives to make the hard decisions! If they are not willing to step up and tell us specifically what they will do to improve our economy and our country, they are not worth voting for. Finally, don't be so ignorant as to vote straight tickets without even knowing the individuals you are voting for. If people are going to do that, why not avoid campaigns completely and just drawn names from a hat to fill elected positions- no difference!
Jacksonville, Florida

what you say is true BUT it would be soooo much easier if it were ILLEGAL to bear false witness and there were severe punishments for such--in todays age of instant 'news' it's so easy to get a thought in movement-whether it's right or wrong and the ones with the most money to buy the 'words' wins---can you imagine if all politicians could ONLY TELL THE TRUTH and the media couldn't blowup and sensationalize their "stories"

I have been and will continue to support those that support average CITIZENS like me. I was shocked to hear Mrs. Romney spouting off in Miami on TV the other day. Good speaker,BUT, she was handing out the same LIES and twisted comments that MITTENS is so adapt at doing. I am NOT thrilled with BHO and many members of his administration,but,I have been living OK with it and shudder at the thoughts of ANY of the extremist right wingers taking the office of POTUS. BIG GREEDY $$$. Bah HUMBUG. They have already ruined the lives of too many hard working CITIZENS and shudder at the thought of them ruling this Nation even more than they do NOW.

Yes...that is why I think campaign reform is needed...cap the amount that is allowed to be spent on an election and things will change dramatically. People will actually tune in when there is a debate....because that is how they will find out about candidates...not through the BS propaganda trains that start running two years ahead of time. It is time we say enough! We need to get back to the point where the best candidate, regardless of money, can win..

Mark and Dale well said.
try $16,000,000,000,000 (thats trillion for you libs) divided by 300,000,000 americans = $53,333 per person payable today. Being realistic that there are at most only half of america paying taxes gives $106,666.
$5 trillion of new debt added by Obama divided by 150 million people gives $33,333 of debt per tax payer in Obamas term so far.
$2 trillion of debt for Bush in 8 years gives $13,333 per person.

The numbers speak the truth. Obama is out of touch. Romney can balance a budget, you can't get that rich and not be able to balance a budget. Obama can not he has proved it. Those are the facts.

What Barry Obama said today is that he does not know how to fix our economy. The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate in 2007 and 2008 - W's last two years - and 2009 and 2010 Barry's first two years. He had two full years to enact whatever policies he wanted to reduce of the deficit, create jobs, reduce entitlements, etc. and what did he do? Ram through Obamacare and spend distribute almost a trillion dollars to union workers and his cronies and extend the stimulus to keep people from going back to work (unemployment benefits). Some of you folks have very short memories.

Aren't you curious why Barry ... I mean Barack ... conveniently talks about the last 27 months when he talks about job growth?

Please leave the simple math out of a complicated discussion. There is a good reason the Federal Budget is never "balanced". For that matter it is only serious accounting tactics that allow the budgets of states and cities to be "balanced". I realize that it seems useful to scare people with big numbers, but the calculations that actually count are the percentage of GDP (that's Gross Domestic Product for the non-liberals in the crowd!) and the cost of servicing the national debt. Right now the cost of servicing national debt is very low. Now is when our country should be investing in repairing broken bridges, building new roads and funding an education system that will make the US competitive in the world economy. Please don't dumb down the discussion of a very complicated national and world economy by foolish bumper sticker statements.

Obama is "out of touch". He should watch Fox News to learn what needs to be done to straighten out this country....like most of the posters here!!!

I wish the liberals in this discussion would be a bit more honest with regards to what they -- and Obama -- want. Typically, you folks believe that the government should be large, collecting lots of taxes from everyone, especially the successful and businesses -- so that the govt can administer the funds in the way they see fit, and ultimately be the organization that solves the individual's + country's problems. You believe govt should provide healthcare, infrastructure, retirement, food, housing, education, university -- to each and every individual, no matter what they contribute. Conservatives believe that our society will work best if govt is small -- and individuals have to prove themselves and earn these things--and turn to their own family, community, church, in times of trouble. Characterizing all Republicans/Conservatives as stupid, and then also as wealthy, is silly and pointless, and a failure to truly debate.

Lynda, to characterize the cost of the current national debt service as low is frightning -- the interest alone on the debt in 2011 was $227 Billion. No principal was repaid in that number! For perspective, in the same year, the US spent $140Billion to fund the Dept of Agriculture; and $132B to fund the Dept of Labor; $65B to fund the Dept of Education; $45B for the Dept of Homeland Security.

To answer the question posed by the opinion piece, conections to the American people ... hmm. I don't know why the average American would continue to fall for Obama who has vapid empty speeches -- his plans didn't work, and they won't work -- govt stimulus can be effective to spur a sputtering economy as long as the future expectation of required repayment is easily covered by the future increase in revenues (tax collections). Obama's plans don't do this -- and he has done nothing to reform the true problem with the debt, which is the mathematical failure of govt programs like SS, medicare, medicaid, etc ... these entitlements pay out far more than were collected, and then of course, the coffers were raided. So -- Obama does not connect with me.

Romney speaks about the exceptionalism of the USA, building businesses, making payroll, has discussed the companies that failed under his watch, so I believe that he has a true notion of the challenge of trying to correct a problem and how to fix it. This ability to solve problems (as in the case of hundreds of companies and the Salt Lake Olympics), and lessons he learned from the failure of Romneycare....shows his humility among massive success. I will not ever understand why we wouldn't want a successful, wealthy businessman who created a new genre of investment (Bain was innovative) to run our mess of a balance sheet.

Obama went to Harvard and hangs out with Hollywood? Not sure how that connects with the average Joe.

Sorry to go back on track. I thought the idea here was to comment on the article, not exchange barbs. Personally, I think they are both “out of touch”. Romney and Obama are each such dramatic outliers (and I mean that in a positive sense), they could never possibly be in touch with the average American.

Out of touch? No....Not the least bit. He is a true American and a patriot. I know that's true because he doesn't hide his money in off shore banks to avoid paying taxes to the country (America) that gave him all the opportunity to become what he is today. Wealthy and successful. I don't resent him for his success and wealth. But, I think anyone stashes money over seas to avoid taxes.....is scum. However, even scum can be elected to public office, I guess. Look at Rick Scott, the scum king of medicare fraud. Floridiots crowned him Governor, King of Florida.

A quick pass at nearly all the comments above illustrates that few, if any, of us actually inspected the evidence. We (including myself) take as fact what media personalities, authors, websites, political organizations, friends, and the candidates themselves tells us are the facts. How many of us read the actual legislation language that has been signed or vetoed… or the executive orders, or the treaties and international agreements? For the most part all of this is public record, and if we were willing to do some serious homework, each of us could be truly informed. Sadly it is much easier to believe what somebody summarizes for us; and human nature is to gravitaite to those sources and interpretations which align with our beliefs.

Lynda, admit I may have been overlyexuberant when I said "nobody read it" of course a few read it, albeit there were discussions on how long a bill should take to read, madame Pilosi said 72 hrs. should be long enough to read and understand. Now of course it was stated that 95% of people who read wouldn't understand it so the bill should be passed anyway.

Here are the point you object to: the LIE:) Here's a senator I alluded to: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276659
Here's another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

I wouldn't call them lies just facts. I just wonder if there is delusional thinking on Stout Obama supporters or if they are so infatuated with his charisma that overshadows his ideology of where he is taking this Nation; or could it be that facts? when not being able to refute them, leads supporters to spin questions away from having to answer fully and honestly questions originally posed.

I don't understand your support, but none the less, I respect it.

Out of touch? No....Not the least bit. He is a true American and a patriot. I know that's true because he doesn't hide his money in off shore banks to avoid paying taxes to the country (America) that gave him all the opportunity to become what he is today. Romney, wealthy and successful. I don't resent him for his success and wealth. But, I think anyone, especially Romney, the man who stashes money in over seas banks to avoid taxes.....is scum. However, even scum can be elected to public office, I guess. Look at Rick Scott, the scum king of medicare fraud. He was CEO of the company that pulled off the largest medicare fraud ever in the US. His company robbed the tax payer. Floridiots crowned him Governor, King of Florida.

hll.... he has paid millions into the system, but as a percentage of his income he has paid 13.8 PERCENT while you and I average 25 percent of our income in taxation. You cannot just look at the AMOUNT. You have to look at the PERCENTAGE COMPARED TO INCOME.

Phil is absolutely correct. That is why a flat tax with no loopholes or deductions- everyone regardless of income pays the same percentage of gross income. If there is a shortfall on revenue, a federal sales tax could be implemented, again straight across the board with no loop holes and for all income brackets.

HLL... In your support for your great Governor Scott and how he cooperated, you failed to mention that on the stand he took the "fifth" seventy-five times!! Yes, sounds like a innocent man to me.

No, the President is not out of touch. The problem is, he is only one individual but cannot steer the ship when the rest of the crew refuses to work together "for the people". It seems to me that "the people" are out of touch. The majority of our elected officials are failing to do their job and it is time to fire them. Stop blaming the President, current or past. Start learning about each of your representatives and about the new candidates. If you do not believe that they are qualified and have a reasonable plan to put this country back on track, you should not vote for them this fall. And for goodness sake, don't just vote straight ticket unless you have researched each and every candidate and are confident that they have the knowledge, expertise and integrity to get the job done.

any politician that signs an oath to another entity(norquist) should be tossed out on their ass THEY WORK FOR ALL THE PEOPLE not just norquist-koch bros-rove etc

I ask you to notice when I put this comment in:
rick barasso
7:03 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
When those on the right are ready to talk in FACTS, I'd be happy to debate. That will NEVER happen.
As that comedian says, "you can't fix stupid".
You want to confuse a Republican? Watch this.....
Tell us of the Romney achievements as the leader of the executive branch of government in Massachusetts...

NOW, LOOK BETWEEN THAT COMMENT AND NOW. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN COULD GIVE ONE EXAMPLE OF ROMNEYS ACHEIVMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF MASS. I REST MY CASE.
THANK YOU MY CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS FOR PROVING MY POINT....

he was able to close the budget gap without increasing income or sales or any other broad-based tax, No. 1. And No. 2, he was able to control spending."

Haven't I seen this same conversation on a hundred other websites? So refreshing.

Why do people always need a scapegoat? It all moves in cycles...yet so many people try to blame it all on one man/party or the other.

ROL. I have no idea where your last 2 comments came from. So, try to clear it up or don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Something for you to keep in mind while making your arguments. "ALL BELIEFS, are a result of prejudice, ignorance, customs, experience, or education." Which of these are you basing your arguments on?

John Dolac, Congratulations, I've been asking for months for someone to defend Mitts record and NO ONE has. At least you gave it a shot.
That having been said: Lets look at what Ben Smith of Mass had to say.
"I lived in Massachusetts when R(money) was Governor we were 47th in job production, unemployment was through the roof, taxes were increased several times on the middle class ( the wealthy got more exemptions). and he created one thing that republicans refuse to talk about--OBAMA/ROMNEYCARE"
ALSO,
It is documented, that Debt in Mass under Mitt rose by over 16%. Taxes and fees raised by over $750,000,000 a year and the tax burden increased by nearly a third on every Mass. tax payer.
Even if your contention were true, You are implying that although Mitt imposed "mandatory" health care on nearly every citizen in Mass. "he was able to close the budget gap without increasing income or sales or any other broad-based tax, No. 1. And No. 2, he was able to control spending."
If this statement were true, why would anyone be against the Obama health care initiative?

I an not a fan of Romney care and it gives me pause in voting for him. But, Romney's goal was finite and simple: to require the few who were sapping the Massachusetts' taxpayers to ultimately pay for healthcare either by paying the state or by paying an insurance provider. These people who had no health insurance -- fewer than 10% in Massachusetts -- would now have to contribute if they wanted healthcare. That was it. Insurance companies were not nationalized. Massachusetts did not become the default healthcare provider in that state. (From Spectator mag article) It appears to me Obama care sets up the state as the default provider. Realize I am not going to convince you....

For Mr. Dolac, you have have failed to correctly observe that the Affordable Care Act (not "Obama care", unless you want to re-name the best medical protection for Americans, Medicare, as "LBJ-Care") did not become, to use your own words, "the default healthcare provider in that state (i.e., this Nation).

I can't imagine how you came up with that one.

Frankly, the US would haver a much more affordable health care system if it was a single-payer insurance system, very much like Switzerland (and not really like either the UK or Canada, which the opponents of s single-payer system disingenuously prefer to use as the comparison).

John Dolac,
I assumed you were not a fan of "Obamacare".
I was pointing out that if what you had said was true, that mandating healthcare was cost saving.
Thank you for apparently conceeding that your statements of lowering taxes aand spending was a false belief.

Rick and GC, I did not mention Obamacare, so not sure where either of you get that idea. But regardless you missed the point. It is clear to me--again I understand you might see it differently-- where the Affordable Care Act will lead if it is not repealed. We'll see what the American people think soon enough. I suspect we will cast our votes for different people in the next election.

ROL
I asked for anyone that is supporting Romney to tell me of his acheivements as governor of Massachusetts. Only 1 person tried by the way (unfortunately his information appears to have been incorrect). Leaving us still waiting for some examples.
Your response included statements like: "I know that everyone who is an individual thinker and not ethnically or infatuated with him, can clearly see, who and what he is."
and "Obama does not like America the way she has been. He does not believe in free enterprise and individual liberty."
and "As far as your "Beliefs" go, mine are based on facts which apparently the far left liberals tend to not answer but with a question. The answers are spun to drive the facts out of the way."
I am willing to bet, you can not back up one of these statements with FACTS. Take your time.

Thank you Tonto,
Tonto has shared with us a wonderful example of how what one BELIEFS to be TRUE differs greatly from what in fact IS THE TRUTH when examined using actual facts.
Sincerely,
Rick

mmm... not incorrect. I can aggregate data and disaggegate data to prove a point anytime. If you use inflation adjusted $, which is pretty standard way of looking at it, he cut spending.

John, If what you say is TRUE. Did you happen to see the report a week or so ago that showed Obama has spent less than any President since Ike.

For John,
I like to back up what I say with the facts. So, here you go
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

Romney wants to throw the American worker under the bus what better platform than as president, with the best congress he and his crony's can buy? This may be the LAST free election our beloved nation has! Stand back ,see how the wing-nuts are trying to disenfranchise the voters that don't agree with their party line. If given even more power will they expand the vote? Help our people? Fix our infrastructure? Educate the next generation? Bring back a budget surplus? Build up the grand experiment we call America? Or just line their own pockets. Look in your heart. .. ... you know.

Of course Obama is in touch with the American people – his reforms and policies are geared to helping the middle class. As with other progressive presidents, Obama has worked to provide an environment of upward mobility for all Americans. He does this through government action and policy. The right claims it can do the same through deregulation and government inaction – but this has never worked, in fact the opposite has occurred as evidenced by the economic collapse in 2008. If you want to return to the policies of the Bush years – more deregulation and less taxes for the wealthy – then vote for Romney. If you want to keep moving the country forward through progressive policy, then vote for Obama and like-minded politicians.

Regarding what Obama has actually done:
http://obamaachievements.org/list

Red, neither the incumbent nor the candidate are stellar performers, but vetting and picking the lessor evil of the two is left to your conscience; when all said and done the end result is upon the voter and the future.

I've been a Dem for decades and have always voted a split ticket. Right, wrong or indifferent, the choices you make you live with.

One last thing, Government (Politicians) have the lowest success rate of any programs they start. Never any oversights to correct the failures, always ready to throw more money at the failures rather than correcting them; to make matters worse, they initiate more of the same expecting different results. With that being said, pick the lessor of two evils, and vett the ideology and moral fibre of both.

JS needs to check his FACTS as nearly everything he says here is simply untrue.

Flip Flopper Oblamer - http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/16/Obama-In-March-2011-Cant-Stop-Deportations-Through-Executive-Order

Did anyone else noticed, during the Republican primary period, every candidate including Romney, every conservative pundant, and every leader in the Republican party were telling us, "the reason oil prices were rising was because President Obama was not allowing the pipeline to run (unchecked) from Canada to the Gulf. That President Obama had not drilled enough oil wells during his term."
Now, I've noticed over the past several weeks oil prices have been in a free fall. What can we learn from this?

Either:
#1 The Republicans have no idea what causes oil prices to fluctuate.

#2 The Republicans do understand how the oil markets work, but chose to lie to us.

#3 President Obama has pulled off yet another miracle and run a pipeline across the country and drilled a vast number of oil rigs in a few short weeks.

Should we take a poll to see which one of the three explanations is accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRuXrbjlrRg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdScVerrBU&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka_tjPLJwVI&feature=related

Thank you once again Tonto. Isn't it a wonderful thing, to hear the leader of our country speak with some inteligence? One who thinks pollution is bad and an energy policy that lessens our dependence on foreign oil is a good idea. One who thinks access to affordable healthcare for all Americans is good for ALL Americans and the economy. One who thinks saving the American auto industry and the million jobs it represents is better than letting them go bankrupt. It sure sounds better to me, than "corporations are people too", "Drill baby drill", "I like firing people", and "Let them go bankrupt"
Thanks again Tonto for reminding us what's a stake.

Does he really sound like a professor to you tonto? Judging by the delussionary stuff you send out, I'm thinking it doesn't take any facts to impress you. You are exactly what the conservative are looking for in a voter. Keep up the good work. We need people to show how foolish they sound.

I see everyone has lived up to my expectations from the beginning of this "discussion."

"Obama has also cleverly managed to polarize this country to such an extenet that all we can do is call each other names and make up justifications for our candidate of choice. He had to be in touch with the people in order to push all of those buttons. Read on and make your own judgement about the diviseness we are experiencing in our country."

How seriously should we take information provided to us by a guy who chooses to use the screen name of a fictional pirate and the Lone Ranger's second fiddle? I'm thinking it says a lot about their ability to recognize reality. I'm about done with this debate as it is apparent the right has no concept of facts.

Oh Tonto.
Here is some info on that video of Obama's professor you sent us. He apparently thinks O is not leading far enough to the Left. The Professor is a socialist! I would think that would make you happy....
Roberto Mangabeira Unger (b. March 24, 1947, Rio de Janeiro) is a philosopher and Brazilian politician. Unger has taught at the Harvard Law School for all of his adult life. He is the author of nearly two dozen books in social, political, legal, and economic theory, and philosophy. His work has sought to understand and change the structure of contemporary societies in ways that do not vindicate their necessity, but on the contrary inform the imagination of alternatives. His work in legal theory helped disrupt the methodological consensus in legal thought and transform contemporary legal theory. His writings in philosophy have been critically hailed as successfully grappling with some of the most fundamental and enduring problems of human existence, and have been put into direct dialogue with Kant and Hume.His work in social, political, and economic theory have been widely praised,and even compared to Dante and Milton.

You're welcome Tonto,
And right back at you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e49POJrQv2I

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

You two show me some facts (any fact) and then I'll be happy to debate until then Tonto, you should ride your pony on Jack Sprats pirate ship and tell your tales to each other. Hi-Oh Silver and aaargh

Another dunderhead tries to defect attention from the facts with reference to the birth certificate -bla-bla-bla. .. ... The weak minds must be getting real scared, as it seems to be their last "line" of defense. They won't admit in pubic that the main problem with the President is his race. Poor little mind. Please help us rebuild Bushes ruinous 8 years or get out of the way!

If you want to understand where Washington, Dems and Repubs alike, are sending our nation, although much faster and much worse under the present Clown in Chief read this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving/dp/9870563457

You are very foolish if you think you can continue to print money at your Treasury, loan it to Washington to spend, then have Bernake at the Fed buy the debt and get away with it. Unfortunately the average American does not even understand the sentence I just wrote. They only see in sound bites what Fox or NBC are telling them.

The average Americans wealth is down 40% in just 3 years. That my friends, is money printing deficit spending.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/halahtouryalai/2012/06/11/brutal-recession-destroyed-americans-wealth-net-worth-down-40-in-3-years/

Both parties are at fault here, understand that, but the Socialist in Sitting has aggressively pushed the line that much closer.

Come on! If the right could give us specific examples of what he's done that is so terrible and where do they think he spent all this money? He spent $880,000,000 1/3 to keep teachers and 1st responders from losing their jobs, 1/3 to extend unemployment benefits and 1/3 to get people working again. Which apparently worked as we were losing 750,000 jobs a month when he came into office. The rest was to clean up Bush's mess with 2 wars, no child left behind, and a prisciption drug program that he didn't pay for. Tell us, where did he spend the 5 trillion that the right loves to throw around as a figure. Where the heck were you all when the Republican agenda of tax breaks to the wealthy, deregulation and lack of energy policy drove us to the brink of economic disaster? I won't even mention the saving of the one million American Auto industry jobs and the Bin Laden thing. let's just call that extra credit. Tell me, what Republican policies of the past 20 years have done anything to advance the welfare of the poor and middle class and American labor?

Another dunderhead tries to defect attention from the facts with reference to the birth certificate -bla-bla-bla. .. ... The weak minds must be getting real scared, as it seems to be their last "line" of defense. They won't admit in pubic that the main problem with the President is his race. Poor little mind. Please help us rebuild Bushes ruinous 8 years or get out of the way! http://www.wealthychat.com/

Romney wants to throw the American worker under the bus what better platform than as president, with the best congress he and his crony's can buy? This may be the LAST free election our beloved nation has! Stand back ,see how the wing-nuts are trying to disenfranchise the voters that don't agree with their party line. If given even more power will they expand the vote? Help our people? Fix our infrastructure? Educate the next generation? Bring back a budget surplus? Build up the grand experiment we call America? Or just line their own pockets. Look in your heart. .. ... you know. -----BTW, enjoy the wealthy dating and rich dating feeling here-- http://www.wealthychat.com/

Tonto, just curious. Do you have any of your own thoughts which you are able to express? Or do you sit in mom's basement watching youtube all day? Come on try typing and thinking for yourself. Who knows,you might enjoy it.

You do know his mother was an American, right?
It's time to give that one up.
Besides which is better, an intellegent man with a true concern for the average American? Or a Retarded Texan who's lies cost 100,000 plus innocent people their lives?

You're welcome

Rick, it seems you're the USF graduate troll that continuously berates, disparages authors of these posts, it also seems you troll other other sites as well, your rhetoric is all too familiar. Your USF leftist views ARE showing. The professors are most proud of their accomplishments, you have been tought very well.

The leanings of USF politically, is of the left, somewhere along the line the Socialist and Marxist ideology is sublime, the activist professors such "Sami Al-Arian" was given free reign until the hammer came down,

Yawn....how about more Zombie stories?

ROL,
Where do I begin? First, I've no connection with USF. However, I understand it is a fine school. About my "trolling" if you are implying I get information from more than one source. Guilty as charged. Your concerns about me "berating" and "disparaging" seems ironic, as you are quite willing to berate and disparage an entire institution. May I remind you, it was not me that said, " That includes OBAMA (yes we can guy)", "the czars obama has appointed have communist leanings, which in turn follows obama's ideology", "Knowing, unless you've been asleep, Obama's leanings are Socialist", "madame Pilosi ", "there is delusional thinking on Stout Obama supporters or if they are so infatuated with his charisma that overshadows his ideology "," BHO is clueless!", "everyone who is an individual thinker and not ethnically or infatuated with him, can clearly see, who and what he is.", "Obama does not like America. He does not believe in free enterprise and individual liberty. He believes in an all-powerful Federal Government that regulates and controls the lives of its people, and redistributes wealth.","Obama REFUSED to show his birth certificate, he still REFUSES to show academic records,"
These berating and disparaging statements were made by YOU. Not one of which is based in FACT. I challenged you and others to deal in facts and have verifiable substantiations to you statements. Unfortunately the conservatives seem able to do so. To hide the fact, you attack me. An old tactic.

Is Obama out of touch?
Let's take a look:
Instead of losing jobs..Joblessness is going down
Instead of 35,000,000 without healthcare...35,000,000 with healthcare
instead of lying to start a war in Iraq...Ended war in Iraq
Instead of watching 1,000,000 American auto workers out of jobs..American auto industry profitable
Instead of no energy program..Efforts being made to reduce our dependency on foreign oil
Instead of Bin Laden evading capture for nearly a decade.....Dead
Instead of Dow dropping to 6300 points..Hovering around 13,000(not bad for a socialist)
Instead of the worst depression since 1930's... "Officially" out of recession.
Instead of supporting tax breaks for the wealthy..supporting tax breaks for the middle class
Instead of denying science..Using science to our advantage
Once again, I ask (beg) anyone to tell us of Mitt's accomplishments as Govenor of Massachusetts.
And let's see who's out of touch

Jeez! This is still going on? Since the comment war has dwindled down to just a few – why don’t you all just go meet for a beer and debate it out in person. At least then- this waste of time will benefit a local merchant.

Tonto,
It is heart warming to see, you do in fact have a voice of your own. Now I ask again, can you tell me of the many accomplishments of Mitt as govenor?
Sincerely,
Rick

OK folks, bottom line, Obama outta there and Romney in. We know what Obama is and what his appointees are, we know the leanings of the Supreme Court Justices he appointed; we see too, what holder (DOJ) has done along with, now, Obama covering his butt. All the disgrace Obama the shill has caused, time to move.

We know Mitt has faults, we understand his Governor mistakes, also what he hasn't really said. Right now, unless your a Marxist or Socialist, Obama is "turn me over, I'm done." End of story folks, let's get ready for Nov.

See Yaaa.....

Cut the crap people and know the facts......

http://obamaachievements.org/list#top

ALL politicians, 100% of them, are "out of touch" with the American people because, as politicians, they are living in an "ivory tower" with guaranteed pensions and lifetime health care and book deals and TV appearances, etc., etc., etc., so they no longer have the slightest idea what the concerns of "real" people are. So, when we go to the polls every year, we are merely choosing which of the two is the best at FAKING his concern for the rest of us. We no longer live in a Democracy, we live in what's called and "Oligarchy," in which a privileged wealthy few rule over the underclasses.

I love it! Not to pick on anybody specifically, it’s just that Nesa’s post is such a glaring example of how none us are willing to do real research, and automatically take as fact the sources and interpretations that align with our beliefs. The only way to “know the facts” is to read the actual language of legislation, executive orders, OMB reports, Department of Labor publications, treaties, international agreements, etcetera. Nearly all of these are public record, if one were so inclined to make the effort to examine them. Unfortunately for the concept of truth- it far less painful for us to consume what somebody has summarized for us on TV, radio programs, and websites.
This is no bash on Obama supporters- I would make the same claim to ALL of the above commenters that are attempting to propagate the “facts” about their candidate of choice. Lucky for me I’m a fan of neither, so I won’t have to do any deep reading!

The choice is pretty simple. Do you think clean air and water is better than polluted? Do you think the workers or the wealthy of America are most at risk? Do you think there should be a safety net for the aged and poor or do you think 3% tax increase will distroy the way of life for the richest Americans? Do you think diplomacy or war in thr
E middle east is safer for those that are asked to fight?
Do you believe in science or not? Do you think Bush's plan had merit or not? If so, one candidate offers more of the absolute same thing? Do you trust banks and wall street to police themselves? The choices seem very clear

Rol
Dow@12600
He sure is some kinda "marxist Socialist"!

Well hello phil.
Were have you been? I was starting to think I was the only one with a dog in this fight. This reasoning thing seems an uphill battle when discussing issues with the right. I have seen Fox, so I understand it may be something they're not used to. I try not to blame them, the conservative are great at coming up with catch words and chain emails. You have to hand it to them with that "job creator" one.

I'm sure there were some slaves that joined the confederacy. I look at non wealthy Republican men and women in the same way I think I would have looked at a black man wearing the uniform of the south

Tonto,
My friend, what happened? You were doing so well with your big boy words.
Do you remember the movie "Rainman"?
There is a scene in the movie where Tom Cruise has to break the news to Dustin Hoffman that, "Kmart sucks".
Well Tonto, I feel as though someone should inform you. "Alan Keyes is crazy".

I see everyone has lived up to my expectations from the beginning of this "discussion."

"Obama has also cleverly managed to polarize this country to such an extenet that all we can do is call each other names and make up justifications for our candidate of choice. He had to be in touch with the people in order to push all of those buttons. Read on and make your own judgement about the diviseness we are experiencing in our country."

In my opinion (which is one vote among over 100 Million), the essence is voting for a government that will
(a) take from 50% of the population and give to the other 50%, taking care of those who pay no taxes
or
(b) leave taxes where they are and allocate those tax dollars to those people most in need and those necessary govt services such as infrastructure and defense.

All the comments here from those who want something for nothing indicate that Obama is indeed in close touch with the people and will be re-elected. He has been very successful in creating a majority of voters who depend on the govt for their existence. They are not kind or rational people, they are the something for nothing crowd sputtering their way through life with criticisms of those who wish to be left alone and succeed or fail by their own actions without govt "assistance."

Rick "Do you think the workers or the wealthy of America are most at risk?" is my favorite - he has all the gimme lines down pat.

What does it say when Romney's own party can't agree on him? He says whatever is convenient that day and then backtracks again. As with the rest of the GOP (party of 'NO') no one is coming up with alternate solutions. In the past couple years the tactics used by the GOP has made me rethink my affiliation with the Republican party. First Bush and now doing everything possible to bring the country back to the 1950's. This is 2012. Women should get equal pay, men should have no say in what we do with our bodies and we should be more concerned with our population and infrastructure rather than sending even more jobs abroad. We are supposed to be a super power but our own politicians are undercutting our society and blaming it on the President. Truthfully, the President can only do so much without the agreement of the representatives. Grow up people and stop the name calling. Ryan's plan was bogus, even Newt said that before they got on him about the party line. Taxes are lower now than they were under Clinton when so many people made the bulk of their money. Cutting education and social security? Too many people have worked too hard to not get anything at the time in their lives when they need it. Read something for a change. Stop listening to pundits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAcbxZSEzw&feature=fvsr its all Bush's fault :)

The fact that anyone here still supports Obama proves that idiots still outnumber the normal people. You cannot fight against the hordes of stupidity that is the Obamaites. Good luck because we're screwed the postings here prove it. And believe it or not you arrogant morons, that not everybody who opposes Obama is a racist or a member of the tea party. Some who oppose him just do not believe the garbage he spews or did we forget (like you idiots have) that he has run everything into the ground!!!

Well, thank you Quentin for your very deep insightful comments. I know they are close to changing my views on the upcoming election. Especially, the part about we Obama supporters being "idiots". Who knew? Well how could we? After all we are nothing more than "arrogant morons".
Just for the heck of it, perhaps an intellegent fellow like yourself could go into a "little" more detail as to how "he has run everything into the ground". Because sometimes it hard to see it, when the stock market has doubled, jobs have gone from -750,000 per month to gains every month. That he has saved college students money on student loans and made it possible for them to stay on their parents health insurance. Saved the American auto industry, saved the jobs of thousands of teachers and 1st responders, supported equal pay for women, ended the war in Iraq and don't ask, don't tell, Oh yeah and ended the career of Bin Laden. Improved the infrastructure in every state, All while increasing spending LESS than any president since Ike. Let us not forget, he was able to accomplish all this while the leaders of the opposition party made it clear, their #1 priority was not jobs, peace, the economy. It was making him fail! So please enlighten us with some FACTS about how he has "run everthing into the ground". If you look through all these post not one conservative has been able to give us ANY facts to back up their rhetoric, but perhaps you are better informed than ALL of them.
Sincerely,
Rick

Day got facts, lots of facts but here's da ting. Dare dem secret facts see? We can't tell anybody till after the votings over cause it's secret see!

Holder needs to clamp down on this - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/23/Call-Holder-Obama-Demands-IDs-For-Rally-Entrance

Here's the point : Better to throw the economy into a world-wide depression, than have a black man in the"white" house. The "let's play it but not talk about the race card" conservatives howling charges is, in my opinion, only a anti-American way of thinking. If they don't like our country the way it is. .. ... go buy one somewhere else. You can't buy mine! Tickets out-of-country may be at a premium so pick a little fascist 3rd world country and "buy early". The only thing that's transparent is the anti-middle class,anti-women, pro-white agenda. Poor old rich white guys must be really scared --- just look at how hard they hide , how much money is being pumped into this election.Show the tea-baggers the door. Watch the vote counters closely, with all the "voter fraud" charges going around, it does seem like it's the vote-grabbers that are cheeting. After all is this not the state with floouting ballot boxes in Tampa Bay? Extra boxes :found" in church store rooms? Is it true that it's not who's running or who you vote for, it's who counts the votes here in Fla.

I just hope women don't think Obama care about more than getting their vote...it is the women who will elect the next president so lets choose wisely...are there any other options beside Romney and Obama????

Railing on the Dems and Obama for 'frivolous spending' - how hypocritical. Let's not forget the bulk of our debt comes from *war debt* and *defense spending* - and the hole we're in was largely created by the itchy-trigger-fingers of the Bushes. We seem to have no problem dropping bombs on other countries, only to then turn around and rebuild them with American dollars; yet giving our own people a health care system that actually works is *frivolous* and *wasteful*? Wow; just wow.

LYNDA,
I CAN DO THAT, THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP

Obama is hell bent on destroying this country, period. He is not ignorant, or stupid. Everything happening now is by design. For all of you that think, Obama is here to help you, I feel very sorry for you and your children that you are going to try and put this man back in office. Shame on you, for wanting your kids to be the first generation to grow up in a communist USA. Obammy supporters need to google agenda 21 and get educated. The president is allowing the UN to push this globalist mentality on our citizens. Are you think about Hillary as an alternative? You might as well scrap that, because she too, is a globalist. Do you like military drones spying on private citizens? Do you agree with giving away our land to the Chinese. Do you agree with the 5 and a half trillion in Obama debt? What about getting molested at the airport by TSA. None of this should be acceptable to any american. So, turn off MSNBC, and go online and do some digging, the info is out there. Take the blinders off. The constitution is the ultimate law of the land. It is wrong for anyone to violate the constitution, republican or democrat. This is about America, it has nothing to do with parties.

Blaming Obama for the sorry state of this country is just like blaming Ronald McDonald for his crappy hamburgers and your high cholesterol. Just saying.

Ok JB, take a breath. I would prefer my children and grandchildren live with the legacy of Obama, rather than the legacy of a Clone of Bush. Thanks for 8 years of that disaster by the way. If you voted for a second term of Bush, you should be barred from giving an opinion on any elected official. As your judgement is without a doubt is in question.

I can't believe some of the diatribe spilled into many of the comments! Obama fans remind me of the people who followed Jim Jones to the Kool aid barrel! A product of the Chicago Politico, a student of the disident factions teaching sharia law and since going into office has shown disdain for America by "standing with his hands crossed over his crotch while our Natonal Anthem was being played at a public fiuncton." Insulted England (when first taking office by returning the statue of Churchill, More than once, insulting Israel, A very important ally in a land of muslims who vie to destroy us and Israel. Obviously not taking advantage of "schooling" available for customs and courtesies while in foreign countries with their heads of state.
A wife, whose embarrsing actions showing disdain for America by stating; she did not like America til her husband was given a presidential nominaton then at a public event (when the folded American Flag was presented to the family at funeral of a killed in action soldier: she was videod saying " all this for a damn flag", he leaned oiver and agreed". He has done NOTHING for America since being in office but destroy our image, put forth socialistic ideas every chance and will have a legacy as the WORST AMERICAN PRESIDENT EVER.

Bush nearly nailed the top down on America. Now there's a bunch that wants to finish the job. Bush, poor fellow just didn't have much upstairs. Mitt(born on third base)is no improvement. Poor guy just isn't ready for prime time. Why is it that the conservatives are resorting to cheating, stealing votes, and other nefarious actions show one thing most clearly: You people don't believe your own line of bull. how can you sleep at night? How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Shame on you , shame on all you lierers.

To JC
As every reason you have given for Obama being the "WORST AMERICAN PRESIDENT EVER" has been proven beyond any "reasonable" doubt to be untrue. I guess one could argue, President Obama may in fact be one of the GREATEST AMERICAN PRESIDENTS EVER. Anyone interested in taking a few minutes to investigate the FACTS will find what I say is true and what you say is false.

Oh cut the liberal garbage! The Presidential field the last 20 years has sucked, this year being no exception (Obama/Romney)..... but this is in no way, shape or form going to prove to be one of the "greatest presidencies" in modern history.

"Obama fans remind me of the people who followed Jim Jones to the Kool aid barrel!"
"a student of the disident factions teaching sharia law"
"standing with his hands crossed over his crotch while our Natonal Anthem was being played at a public fiuncton."
" Insulted England and insulting Israel "
"A wife, whose embarrsing actions showing disdain for America"
"she was videod saying " all this for a damn flag", he leaned oiver and agreed"
"He has done NOTHING for America since being in office but destroy our image, put forth socialistic ideas every chance"
AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY " Oh cut the liberal garbage!"
GIVE WE, WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO THINK A BREAK

The Slow Agony of the Obama Recovery

http://www.nationaljournal.com/economy/the-slow-agony-of-the-obama-recovery-20120727

New GDP numbers add to old worries for Obama

"The economy grew at an annual rate of 1.5 percent in second quarter compared to a 2 percent rate in the first quarter of 2012, the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis reported on Friday."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79053.html?hp=t1_7

Consumer sentiment tanks again this month.

The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan's final reading on the overall index on consumer sentiment fell to 72.3 from 73.2 in June. It was the second month in a row attitudes have soured and the lowest level since December"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-usa-economy-sentimentbre86q0t6-20120727,0,1133606.story

Florida Unemployment at 8.7%

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/workinglife/florida-unemployment-falls-to-87-percent-but8230/1230780

The Black Teen Unemployment Rate Is Staggering
http://www.businessinsider.com/black-teen-unemployment-rate-jobs-report-2012-7

If you got a business you didn't built that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng

Economy has lost 200,000 small businesses under Obama.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/economy-lost-more-than-200000-small-businesses-in-recession-census-shows/

Let us take this time to thank NCI for reminding us all, what kind of disaster the last REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION left this country in. And lets give thanks to President Obama for having the courage and inteligence to keep us from continuing on the path to the worst economic crisis since the Great depression.
Thaks again to NCI for the reminders

Perhaps this is a good time to take note, that Romney offers NO ideas or plans anything different than we got from George Bush. Let me repeat that, Romney offers NO ideas or plans anything different than we got from George Bush. So if you like the idea of Lies, war, disasters in major US cities, rich getting richer while the middle class shrinks, rising unemployment, handouts to wall street, housing busts, and another great depression, your best bet would be to vote for the man with no new ideas Romney...

George Bush, George Bush, George Bush.......is that all you have? While your LAST Democrat (Clinton) was busy getting BJ's in the Oval Office and creating a job market for dry cleaners everywhere, instead of keeping a closer eye on the rise of Muslim extremists who killed our families and friends on 9/11....did you say the same about him? Oh no, you considered it physical therapy for his "Little Billy" no doubt and twisted that story to fit your needs just like you same bozos do now with your community organizer who likes to blame everyone else for his failures. He's a hypocrite, two faced puppet who is ruining this country along with wannabe politicians like you, who instead of exhibiting some common sense, like to tout falsehoods, ignore facts and all the while create more chaos. When his former Cheif of Staff (Rahm Emanuel) said, "don't let a good crisis go to waste" he was giving some insight into the adminstration's thinking. They just love to exploit! Drink the Kool Aid, point fingers elsewhere, spew your talking points, etc......but you're full of it. No, we are not happy with Romney, no more than we are Obama....BUT 4 more years of this administration will put this country on such continued slide that it may never recover. We're not taking that chance.

After Obama Blocks Keystone Pipeline, China Readies $15.1 Billion Canadian Oil Deal

THIS IS A DUMB OBAMA POLICY. His energy policy is incompetent.

http://nation.foxnews.com/canadian-oil/2012/07/28/after-obama-blocks-keystone-pipeline-china-readies-151-billion-canadian-oil-deal

To masked blogger (is that code for coward) Is anything I said false? And thank you for reminding us of the blunders leading up to 9/11. Who was president then? Oh yeah GW. Three thousand more deaths we can atribute to the Republican Administration! I also forgot to mention the 10s of thousands of innocent people he was responsible for killing and torturing. Anything else you care to bring up besides the consentual sex between 2 adults? I guess you forgot about the 8 years of pease, prosperity, and surpluses in your Clinton comments. You Republicans sure do have very short memories. Good thing someone is hear to remind you, before you make another HUGE MISTAKE...

Obama bows to king of Saudi Arabia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJtoOqdvxo

He should be bowing to the Elderly in Florida.

NCI rhymes with lie
Show us 1 cedible source for your gas hypothisis. You can't because it is untrue. My guess is you know that though.
Can you show us the pics of George Bush kissing and holding hands with the Saudi Prince? If you can't find it, I'll be happy to get them for you. By the way, they're known as customs. You should turn off FOX SNOOZE and read about some of the, what we might call odd customs. You know a great place to start would be THE BOOK OF MORMONS... And who do we know thats a mormons? That will surely give you something to write about

Who the hell said I was a Republican? Can't you read? Independent, you blowhard! (no pun) And that consentual sex line..... did you use that same line with the wifey? Take your New England logic BS right back where you came from. And I might add, if you are so concerned about others - when's the last time you let a couple dozen homeless people camp out of your front lawn and feed them? Hypocrites like you along with your fellow "Occupiers" are the PROBLEM, not the solution.

My parents took the time to teach me, that telling lies is wrong. Your parents must have bee way to busy to do the same for you. That aside, It would appear you are conceeding to the FACT that all of your previous statements were untrue. So I will rub it in no further. My parents also taught me, it's not nice to kick a man when he is down...

Barack Obama bows to Japan's Emperor Akihito

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mZfpOfQYc

Is Obama not proud to be an American?

WOW MB
Guess we hit a nerve...
Normal behavier when one is verbally defeated, is to resort to name calling and rash accusations. So, I guess one could say you're normal in some respects... As my parents raised me right, I'll try and stop correting your mistatements.

He Just Can't Help Himself... Obama Bows to Indian Parliament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQbEakK--gs

You people tie one arm behind Pres.Obama, and then exclaim "well he's not a two fisted fighter"! Get wise to yourself, most of the people are. Also it seems Mitt's treatment of his hosts in England is a clue to two things : 1) Mr.Obama did not apologize for America, he was trying to make amends for Bush. B) Mitt's ham-handed lack of depolmatic expertise just may require another round of apology's .But then like a spoiled child they know and they sympathize, all the while they're glad he ours- -- --- not theirs. On a happy note after he loses the election think he'll move to Switzerland(?) you know, to be close to his money?

Obama Bows to the King of Saudi Arabia. But Not to Queen Elizabeth II. His Lord and Master?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseUglupmZk

Romney is just concerned with lining his own pockets and further dismantling America in the name of venture capital. At least Obama has tried - and there are signs of improvement. Bush, Karl Rove and types like their Koch Brother cronies are the ones to blame - the rest lies squarely on capitalists like Romney that stash their cash in offshore bank accounts, ship jobs overseas and dare to wrap themselves in the American flag. Companies like Bain are champs at moving production jobs out of America because they know they can get cheaper product from China and India and further mark it up. Wake up, America. Mitt Romney may play this, "I'm every American. I'm you." bit, but nothing could be farther from the truth. He represents the worst that greed and capitalism have to offer.

I came up with a prayer the other day I'd like to share...
May you never be stranded on a deserted island with a Republican, who has found the only source of food and water...Amen

Obama throws Granny over the cliff video.

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/05/10/obama-throws-granny-off-the-cliff-the-whole-truth-television-commercial-video/

ObamaCare steals 500+ billion from Medicare

NCI ESS - Your anti-Obama posts are proof positive that perhaps the greatest of American tragedies is that my vote counts only as much as yours at the ballot box. Two words: Lunatic fringe, friend.

A Quick Review of Obama's Blunders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAuk5c3dLyg

Romney Gets Standing Ovation In Israel

http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney-israel-speech/2012/07/29/romney-gets-standing-ovation-israel

NCI
In what bizarre world do conservatives live in, where the same man you all demonize for being a "socialist" in one breath, and in the next breath try to make us believe he would cut benefits like Medicare, which is possibly the most popular social (safety net) program in the country. The program all seniors in America take advantage of, seniors who along with women, poor, and labor are the backbone of the Democratic party. We who have the ability to reason and think for ourselves know very well, it's not the party that gave us Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, workers and civil rights act that we need to be concerned with, when it comes to dismanteling these programs and rights. We know which party it is that has tried to remove these safety nets from the American people. It is the party which has been taken over by the Kochs, Roves, Becks and Limboughs of this world. This is just one more example of the nonsense conservatives are willing to except in order to stay in lockstep with the greed driven parasites that are the Republican Party of today.

So says the democrat robot.

To
NCI
I directed this comment to another with the same views as yourself. Thank you for proving my point.
WOW MB
Guess we hit a nerve...
Normal behavier when one is verbally defeated, is to resort to name calling and rash accusations. So, I guess one could say you're normal in some respects... As my parents raised me right, I'll try and stop correcting your mistatements...After all what good does it do, to try and educate those that choose to remain uneducated. Good luck with that...

The definition of insanity is arguing with an idiot and expecting different results. If you honestly think your life (and that of your friends and family) is better after the last 3-1/2 years and trending upward - go for it!

Sound familiar ?
Lose the argument
Insult your opponent (try to)
Declare victory
Insult your opponent (try to)
Declare victory again
Run for the hills

Sebelius, HHS Secretary admits to double counting. Her is where Obamacare steal the 500 Billion
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sebelius_hit_for_bamcare_trick_gFvuHbxeUIbimwn0kbWAEJ

Obama uses slush fund to camouflage Medicare cuts

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-uses-slush-fund-to-camouflage-medicare-cuts/article/525626

O shrugs as economy sags

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/shrugs_as_economy_sags_I7TriIHWfhTA6AKpXL1JVP

A double-dip by Election Day?

Dumb right wingers, spouting lies and quoting Newsmax..... It is jawdropping how stupid you people are. simply jaw dropping. Obviously marijuana has been declared legal and I didn't notice because you people are high.

I'm sorry, but I see a lot of proganda clips, if your sources are progranda or youtube clips please back up with true creditable sources. I can make any video with any trademark on it, or make voice over work on any news broadcast to "prove" a point. If your whole agrument is based on a biased site, then you have no agrument.

That statement applies all sides of this agrument.

Well, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about media. If you want to shoot the messenger be my guest. The audio is Bill Clinton speaking about the Sudan offering to give Clinton OBL, and Clinton saying he didn't take them up on it. It isn't topical to this discussion, but someone else couldn't stay on topic and made an outrageous comment about it...

I don't think either Obama or Romney are "in touch" with the American people. It amazes me that given an either or question most people commenting here are the quislings, because they assume that the person asking the question is justified in doing so. They are not. This is not an either or issue. They are both rich men - and rich people just can't imagine what it is like to be out of a job, evicted, w/o food etc.

I never had high hopes for Obama based on his lack of experience. The advantage of this however is that I wasn't as greatly disappointed when the reality didn't meet the expectations. I regularly speak with people who in voting for Obama had high ideals and are bitterly disappointed. They are honest about that, and, unlike many of those posting on this forum they wouldn't continue to blame Bush this far down the road and would be honest about this POTUS' flaws. As a campaign strategy, "blame the other guy" is risky. It's as good as admitting that your presidency has been a failure, and rather than run on your accomplishments you run on fear and envy.

I would also point out that no matter which candidate a person votes for they are voting for a corporation. I don't know how long it's been since this stopped being about "service" and became "selling out". Bush sold out to the military industrial complex, and contrary to the beliefs of the sycophants Obama is just as militaristic as Bush, but has additionally sold shares of the country to Wall street and the pharmaceutical industry.
I don't know what it would take to wrest the country back from corporations and China, lest we forget. Europe has sold out as well - this is the price we have all paid to "wipe out hunger and poverty". The EU, at least, gets a welfare state for it's citizens in the bargain. The U.S. govt. sucks on that particular teat rather than the people. Only armed revolt would reverse this trend, and far be it for me to encourage such a thing. It won't happen, as long as enough people have McDs and cable we'll be lulled into submission and won't notice as one after another freedom is carted away.
Don't dream that an "X" here or an "X" there will change things significantly. As both are sold out to corporate interests (remember, they are now "individuals") there may be stylistic differences, but nothing else.
And to the person well up thread that praised Obama's expression of "real feelings" I had to cackle. That is one of the "coolest" cats I've ever heard speak. It's always a lecture. Never one iota of emotion.

Last word here and then you stronzos can have at it....
I had a job for 7 straight years during the Bush years. Then came Obama and I lost my job. I've not found stable employment since.
Unemployment is a f**king joke. I was told I had paid 10s of thousands of dollars into UI yet they still investigated my 4th application in 3 years. We had no food and no utilities in the middle of a heat wave during which it was over 100 degrees F every day. Three weeks later they said "oops" and anted up, BUT NOT RETROACTIVELY. An Obama improvement?
I'm not a fan of Bush. Foreign policy madness, budget surplus turned into a massive deficit. But...
- Obama, instead of reversing Bush military aggression and wild spending, compounded both.
- My employment status was stable under Bush but with an Obama POTUS I was neutered…no pension, no savings, dead broke, employment status frighteningly precarious.
- Until Obama we didn't worry about getting sick because we had affordable health insurance.
- With ACA my health insurance premiums cut my weekly pay IN HALF. Co-pays have gone up on visits and rx by 50%. Since my spouse has a serious chronic illness is crippled us.
In my next job I am seriously tempted to forgo health insurance so I can put food on the table. Health insurance takes my earnings WELL below the poverty line.
That he isn't listening to ample feedback that health care costs are going UP rather than down says Obama is either out of touch or just doesn't give a sh*t.

To masked blogger (is that code for coward) Is anything I said false? And thank you for reminding us of the blunders leading up to 9/11. Who was president then? Oh yeah GW. Three thousand more deaths we can atribute to the Republican Administration! I also forgot to mention the 10s of thousands of innocent people he was responsible for killing and torturing. Anything else you care to bring up besides the consentual sex between 2 adults? I guess you forgot about the 8 years of pease, prosperity, and surpluses in your Clinton comments. You Republicans sure do have very short memories. Good thing someone is hear to remind you, before you make another HUGE MISTAKE...
BTW,if you want to enjoy the millionaire dating feeling, welcome to http://www.millionaireseeking.com/

This commercial break is brought to you by the above idiot who doesn't realize that the lack of action by Bill Clinton during his administration LEAD to the events of 9/11 and that while the tragedy occured during GWB's first 8 months of tenure, the seed was planted long before that and could have been stopped had Clinton acted.... FACT, not fiction. By the way, numbskull .... I'm not a Republican. Not everyone is lemming who follows suit with party lines. Get your facts straight before you comment and take your commercial BS elsewhere.

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Romney-"It working, we've got them so divided the are hating each other - lol".
Barack -"Yeah and they've so focused on blaming me and ole George for everything they've forgotten about our kronies in congress, we'll all be shoveling money to our buddies for at least four more!"
Romney-" I was getting a little nervous with that Occupy Movement stuff, I thought people were actually getting smarter and we were going to be exposed".
Barack-" Simple stuff Mitt we just used the press to label the group liberal and socialist so most Americans freaked out. But occupy was nothing compared to the tea party, for a while I thought tar and feathers were coming, luckily the Republican party castrated them. We'd all have been screwed if those two groups got together".
Romney-"Will I see you at the toga party later?"
Barack-"No, we've got the right so worked up I don't want to be around anyone dressed in a sheet".
Romney-"I get that. See you on the road, looking forward to our debates, remember to call me so we can rehearse."
Barack- "Will do, and thank for picking Ryan, I've been promising that kid something for a while now."

Obama lackey Corzine going unpunished, surprise, surprise. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/no-criminal-case-is-likely-in-loss-at-mf-global/

JW...............you must be one of those right wing conspiracy theorists who lives in reality. There's no way the "for the little people Obama" would ever trust those fat cats from Wall Street. C'mon, you want me to believe a Democrat has anything to do with those rich Republicans.

Geesh, take a look at this proof to show JW doesn't know what he's talking about.....actual video from the donkey's mouth:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm3VMrKqJSA
Perhaps that was a doctored video, let's take a 2nd look:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRO9TSlScQ

WOW! JW is a nut, I mean, if Corzine was an Obama cohort, the lamestream, I mean mainstream media would let us know. There's no freakin way any of our good representatives are involved with those criminals!!

Jon Corzine is a good guy. He managed the funds quite well......it wasn't immoral to loot customers accounts.......people like you and I........it was proper for him to transfer funds from private accounts to JP Morgan. What is wrong with you, the bankers do have to eat.

And speaking of JP Morgan...........what's up with people bashing them for losing billion$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/jpmorgan-trading-loss-may-reach-9-billion/

They are good guys......obviously not the folks a poor Democrat would praise:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iagFxsSxgKM
See, Mr. President told us JP Morgan is a fine institution and Jamie Diamond is a good guy..........just like that Corzine fella. These bankers must get there fair share. It's bad enough they only get to create $900 for every $100 in reserves, via the Fractional Banking Fraud........they must also loot the retirement funds of all of us.

But at least we have a chance to flip the coin to the other side this election.......kick out the dirty rascals to install other dirty rascals. Things will be different this time.....the back and forth has nearly brought us to ruins, but it's ok, Believe In America........or Hope and Change.....or whatever slogan you choose to be brainwashed by:

Let Romney and Obama's own words be your guide:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Obama out of touch?? Well at least he has an answer for saving energy..........FYI: You won't believe it unless you see it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0

Surely this was in jest, right? Nah, he is that out of touch.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28

And he laughs at the suffering..............BTW, have you seen the motorcade following him around??
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JtIY0K_cY

Don't worry, Mitt-Flop Romney is clueless as well..........even living a "straight-edge" life, shouldn't a politician be able to answer this question??

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQB61AUdmJw

FYI: Folks, you want to create jobs in this state, decriminalize Hemp and there will be a boon bigger than the industrial revolution.

If you are still living under a rock, Hemp can be used for over 50,000 products.......even building cars and fueling them.
Check out Henry Ford's hemp car.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=54vD_cPCQM8

For all you environmentalists out there, you should be screaming at the top of your lungs to decriminalize Hemp. It's the most amazing plant on the planet, yet the US govt wants to suppress it for all the interests of the corporations.

Florida could have nearly zero unemployment if the people would get the restrictions off of the plant to rescue our economic woes.

And for the brain dead folks, YOU CANNOT GET HIGH FROM HEMP and it was lauded and applauded in the past.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xHCkOnn-A

One last thing, if you want to see the difference between an educated Statesman and an indoctrinated politician, look no further than the answers given by Mitt-Flop Romney and Dr. Ron Paul........you know, that craaaaaazy loon.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPK6q-PSSE

EXIT THE LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM. Join us in reality. The R's and the D's are the same.

Who in their right mind would think that a guy who:
* Was born in Hawaii (allegedly)
* Raised in Indonesia
* Never worked a day in his life (outside of his "community organizing" gig
* Had all his schooling paid for by someone else

would be out of touch with mainstream America?

NO!

YES!

The wise old man leaned back in his chair, put his crossed feet up on the old oak desk, took a puff on his pipe, and said," So sonny, tell me about all the great things this guy Romney did as governor". Then he took another drag and waited for an answer.

I don't think Romney has a clue what it's like out here in the real world where some of us are struggling to survive. In fact, I bet I'd be hard pressed to find four people in Washington Public Office who even have a clue. They are and have been for far to long, well removed from our reality. Romney wouldn't make the count, for sure.

It's simple the idiot that is in there is not getting the job done. Fire him and let the other idiot in. If he fails to get it done fire him too.

how can he get four more years. He has done a terrible job. How is this even a discussion. On logic alone he gets an F for a grade. The only people he helped is the poor and that was by enabling them, removing any motivation and completely subsidizing them. Absolutely pathetic.

Great news! !! !!! The Ryan/Mittens team have bought themselves a new set of clothes and they want to sell you some too! The most wonderful suits ,the best part being that only nobles like them selves are able to see the beauty of them. So if YOU are of noble birth go buy what their selling . I hear the suits are most beautiful.

And the old man got up from his chair, patted the boys on the head and smiled. Knowing he had stumped the boys with his question. And all the rude remarks the boys had made to the wise old man, only proved how shallow the boys were and how poor they were at thinking for themselves...

To Tcpistol, Osama Bin Laden is dead, and Chrylser & GM are alive.

That sound and succinct summary alone destroys your "terrible job" comment. The world is a much safer place, and hundreds of thousands of auto workers at those two companies still have their jobs, and hundreds of thousands of workers at auto suppliers throughout the US (who otherwise would have lost their jobs if those two major US auto manufacturers went out of business), now still have their jobs.

But, I can think of others who have been helped, such as children between the ages of 23 and 26, who can now stay on their parents health insurance, as well as people with preexisting conditions, who otherwise would not be able to even get health insurance.

And, no, contrary to your denigrating hyper-generalizing comment about the poor, most are trying to do better, but can't even make it without assistance.

I worked on the finance committee of a charity that had two food pantries, and some of the people who used to be donors to the food pantries have found it necessary, in this five year old recession, to become clients.

Maybe "client" is a terrible word to those who care nothing for the poor and the hungry and the homeless, particularly if your attitude about the "least of these His brethren" allows you to wish nothing for them, other than becoming invisible to you.

GM is doing so well, the other day Forbes reported they are heading for bankruptcy again. Have you seen the stock price since going public again?

Are you aware GM is and has been sending production of their vehicles to China. They devalue our currency....IE: inflate it by bailing out these inept corporations........and then they take the bailout money to build plants in China. But that makes since, considering our Jobs Czar is Jeffrey Immelt, GE's CEO.........one of the companies leading the way in China. Man, you have to love this country. We subsidize the world over as people here are homeless and starving.

Dad of Three......those people should have lost their jobs due to the failure of their business. By the way, how's Amtrak done since the "govt takeover??"

And those 23-26 year olds you reference?? Yep, many of us are truly loving that.....My wife and children's insurance nearly DOUBLED due to what you hail as a glorious thing. Doubled, so poor little 23-26 year olds can continue to have their butts wiped. Man, back in the day.......13 year olds were raising families.....and now we must protect the 25 year olds. Give me a break......how many 23-26 year olds need insurance? I'm in my 30's and refuse insurance, I have no interest in ever seeing an MD and haven't in nearly two decades.

I never signed any social contract to have my money stolen to support corporations and other people.

He is not out of touch with peoples money. He is coming after what you got. Anybody got any left after 4 years of his failure.

Here's the Romney-Ryan Plan:
1. Tax poor & working people but not the rich;
2. Encourage wages in the U.S. to fall to third world levels;
3. Pass trade laws that make it easy for companies to send jobs overseas;
4. Pass laws that enable only insurance companies to control who gets health care (including seniors) and who doesn't;
5. Replace public education with out of pocket private schools and home schooling;
6. Refuse to invest in crumbling public infrastructure such as highways, bridges, and sewer systems;
7. Environmental Policy: Pass laws and weaken regulations that enable companies to pollute the environment;
8. Pass laws that enable gas and oil production and prices to be controlled by a few large companies; Make sure that there is no longer any research or work on alternative energy sources; Keep defense spending high to protect non domestic oil production;
9. Repress rights for women and minorities and repress voting participation;
10. Divide the American people on cultural issues (religion, sexual orientation, gun rights, etc);
11. Instill fear in the American public through manufactured crises and created "boogeymen". Then attack political opponents by claiming to be more "patriotic" and the better keeper of "American Values" than they.
12. Make it impossible for literally millions of ELIGIBLE voters to cast their ballots, which is flagrant vote tampering and corruption.
Can YOU afford to vote for these guys? I can't. I'M A WORKING MOTHER.

Thank you darling wonder Mitt! Thanks for blessing us with inspiration of inherited wealth. Thank you for teaching us nobody should pay more tax just because they hide money, tax-free, in the Caymans & Bermuda & Switzerland & Andorra. Thanks for having fools pay their taxes, while you live in luxury. Thanks for building an elevator for your cars & limos in one of your 7 palaces, which also gives us inspiration to be like you: accomplished & not being afraid to demonstrate loyalty to yr fellow accomplished friends with the promise to further lower their taxes. And also thank the Ryan budget author for promising to reduce yr tax rate to 1%. After all 13% tax rate sure beats the 37% rate those on salaries must pay. It'ss inspiring for all of us not yet rich as you; not rich like yr daddy, not rich as yr wife or boys. Thank you for choosing a running mate who is also a millionaire from the inheritance from his great-grandfather, the road builder, whose company was passed down to his son & then his son, Paul's Daddy afforded Mr. Ryan a life in Wash.DC & inspiration to lower taxes on his multimillionaire mom & dad & all those whom God has blessed. You go Mitt! Why should Americans wait for the government to give a measly retirement to those who paid for it, when you show how to take care of yourself? Why give people Obamacare just because people without $ get sick? If God wants them sick, why go against God's will? O Mitt, how inspiring you are! Pay no attention to envy!

The white house is a hud home now.
It's government funded.

It's so ironic that Obama-haters here keep beating the 'fiscal responsibility' drum when the mess we're in now was started by the Bush dynasty and their thirst for constant wars. The Pentagon budget is out of control - it has been for years - and until that changes, there is no 'fiscally responsible' America. The Romney/Ryan budget is just going to whomp the middle class once again and saddle us with higher taxes and less services. By the way, Mr. Romney, I pay much more than 13%.

Jacque, thanks for proving just how out of touch and arrogant the Republican party is with mainstream America. Thanks!

To the lefties commenting here - it is not "old" news to question the background of THIS President - we have never gotten the answers so we just keep on asking. Obama spent millions in lawyers in his first month to hide his entire background behind "executive privilege". We don't have any of his US college records, or school records from his attendance at a school in Indonesia - the one where he learned to be a Muslim and enjoyed "the most beautiful sound" of the morning Muslim call to prayer. We don't have all the facts about his citizenship and I'm pretty darn sure that when he went to Columbia, he did so as a FOREIGN student so that means... NO he is NOT a citizen and thus should never have been allowed to even RUN for President!

It's not old news - it's just as relevant now as it was in 2008 - when our lazy media decided they liked Obama and didn't want to dig into any of that.

Some day, we will look back at this President and how he got there as one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people, right up there with the fraud of the Federal Reserve, LIBOR and the theft of our income through illegal income taxation.

And oh yeah - the "great uniter" has set race relations back at least 60 years in this country and in addition he has created divisions between genders, young and old, citizen and immigrant, and between just about every race. He has made us a laughing stock in the world because he displays such complete ignorance of proper behavior with foreign leaders. He's more comfortable shooting baskets or playing golf than being any kind of leader and he has displayed that with the zillions of golf games he's played. Where is the media criticism of that? Oh that's right - he's got them in his back pocket. I hope every last one of the old mainstream media companies loses so many customers that they go out of business. They are a disgrace to real journalism

Oh yes, Obama was born in some third world country, or maybe on Mars, no matter what the State of Hawaii has officially said.

You must be right, and Hawaii must be wrong.

And as to journalism, I suspect that you would be more comfortable in the kind of "journalism" that exists in despotic countries where only one party line set of "facts" is permitted. For you, that would be turning Fox into Pravda or the Peoples Daily; how wonderful.

And as to being laughed at, that's right, it was Obama that insulted the British Prime Minister and the Mayor of London a few weeks ago, and it was Obama that flubbed meeting after meeting on his three nation whirlwind tour.

As to frauds, I guess you were happy with having a President selected by the Supreme Court in 2000; at least Bush was honestly elected in 2004.

"You be the judge of what points of view are similar to yours. The challenge for voters is to penetrate deeper than politicians’ distortion of facts, toothy smiles, sugary demeanor, and mindless platitudes and false promises. This portrayal contrived by politicians can be a false front glossing over their grounded convictions. "

So, we are supposed to make the leap and assume that Romney and Ryan are devout disciples of Ayn Rand and subscribe to her philosophy without question?
That because they recognize that we as a country have a spending problem that creates unsustainable and rising debt, they are mean and cruel to those 100,000,000 people who are receiving govt support?

Have you seen Romney's tax returns? Do you realize that he gave $7 MILLION to charity and paid $6.2 MILLION in taxes over the last two years? You really believe he isn't doing his "fair share?" You really believe that 50% of the population should pay no income taxes and that high income earners should pay more? That the 10% of people who pay 70% of all income taxes are not paying enough? That everyone not paying income taxes is entitled to more govt support?

Chuck,
It's easy enough for you to "penetrate deeper than politicians’ distortion of facts," just go to the movies and see "2016: Obama’s America." You don't have to read anything, someone else has done all the work. You don't have to make any assumptions or make up any connections between a politician and an author. You can just sit back, watch and listen. And please let us know what is not true, what is not factual.

Please tell me how many candidates for president are giving $3,500,000 a year to charity - not forced to pay by the govt, just giving to others because they want to share their personal success with others less fortunate.

All I'm suggesting is that there is very little to learn by merely hearing a smiling, affable guy, avoiding and/or distorting facts, telling an audience all that he thinks they want to hear while, at the same time, hiding his own authentic agenda and his raw and rooted philosophical convictions (because they are really, really scary to normal folks like us). We can learn more by actions, behaviors, initiatives (Obama does have a congressional record) that far outweigh a brief, glancing brush with the celebrity of the week.

Jack
Enlighten us again with ALL of Romney's accomplishments, as governor...
This should be interesting...

Rick,
Do the research on all candidates not just Romney and Obama. You might be surprised on the public records of both men. Not the political proganda being shot out of all these "news" sources. Just do your own research.

You know what, Rick...... I hope he does that. Right after you bring us up to speed on Obama's accomplishments in the Senate in D.C. and in Illinois, up to the point HE decided to run for president and was at the same juncture in time as Romney is now. If we're gonna make analogies, let's at least make them fair, right? We'll all be waiting patiently. Thanks.

Sorry, I forgot to credit Chuck #6 for the quote:
"All I'm suggesting is that there is very little to learn by merely hearing a smiling, affable guy, avoiding and/or distorting facts, telling an audience all that he thinks they want to hear while, at the same time, hiding his own authentic agenda and his raw and rooted philosophical convictions (because they are really, really scary to normal folks like us). We can learn more by actions, behaviors, initiatives (he does have an extensive congressional record) that far outweigh a brief, glancing brush with the celebrity of the week."

For discussion only, I will stipulate that Romney's record as governor is no better or worse than Obama's limited state/federal congressional record.

Now, let's compare leadership, decision making, problem solving, business success and other factual records that might lead us to believe that Romney is just as capable as Obama to be our president. Money seems to be a big issue: people who have not been successful seem to think that it is not "fair" for others to be successful and earn a lot of money and then they carp about the taxes paid by those people. Of course if we didn't have successful people, how could we provide support to 100,000,000 people? How could 10% pay 70% of all income taxes?

Can you tell us about ALL of Obama's accomplishments prior to 1/9/2009?

We already know how interesting that is going to be......zzzzzzzzzzzz

To MD
There are only 2 that have a chance.
To all the others
LOL

Oh c'mon, Rick..... just like the sayings go..... "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire"..... and "If you've come to the beach to play, don't forget your balls"...... again, we're patiently waiting for those pre-January 2009 accomplishments. It shouldn't take that long ;-)

Let us all be honest about these two candidates, neither can truly fix the problem. It takes more than a president to clean up the mess that has been made of our government. Look at the lack of term limits in the Congress and Senate.
Do you turly believe an Congressman who has been in office the last 30 years can truly make accurate decisions for the state of society in our Country.
Do you believe that they are doing a service to this country, or just making sure they have taken care of themselves and their career as a politican?

I believe I and the wise old man asked 1st.
If you've got nothin, admit it and move on. I've commented many times on our presidents accomplishments. If your guy doesn't have any, don't blame me for having those who support him point it out.

To MD
I don't deny its broken. Here in lies the problem with the right. They can tell you about anything they think is wrong with a person or a system. The problem is, they have no solutions that don't create even more problems. ie trickle down economics, wars in the middle east, and Mitt Romney...

"It is an easy game that the two parties play again the middle/voting class. Make the regular guy focus on issues that don't matter, instead of what issues do matter."

Well, they are certainly succeeding - how many of the comments posted above have anything to do with issues that really matter?

Those who do comment on important/relevant issues are almost always well-known experts on the subject and have no bias. None.

As much fun as it is to debate accomplishments or lack thereof, it's a bit off topic for this conversation. To the original question of whether Romney was correct saying Obama is out of touch, I think that's the pot calling the kettle black, seeing as how Romney's income for 2010 put him in the approx. the top 0.006% of US earners. Romney's income for 2011 was about $22 million , as compared to Obama's $790 thousand. So, do I think that Romney is capable of being "in touch" with the needs and difficulties of the common American? Only if by in touch you mean he has to worry about the value of three houses depreciating instead of just one. Collectively they're worth about 20 million, but you could still argue he understands the plight of the real estate bubble bursting 3 times more than most home owners!

Out of touch? How do otherwise intelligent people suspend all rational thought to believe in the things they do, be it their religion which alone has the truth or their political party which is always right. If you can honestly answer that question then you can tell yourself whether you have the capability of good judgment and discerning an accurate answer.

The fact that the top 20% of US earners pay about 70% of all taxes has become very widely publicized and repeated lately. A less reported fact covered in one article by CBS back in 2011 is that the top 20% control about 84% of the total wealth in this country. Newsflash: the government still taxes people based on their income. People in the Ultra-Rich class like Romney (Not the 1% 'ers, but the .001% 'ers end up paying an effective tax rate around 13%. If I was part of the 50% of people who just happened to make more than $200,000 in 2008 and who, according to the tax policy center, paid between 20% - 35%, I'd be pretty upset about that. Many working people in that category make less than a million, and in my experience it's those (who can't afford the most expensive accountants and tax lawyers) who usually end up paying the highest in taxes. Those are generally small business owners or senior employees who work lots of overtime. I have sympathy for these people, who deserve to keep as much of the money they work for as possible. Maybe some day when the Romneys of the country, who have more money than they know what to do with anyway, are taxed their fair share these people won't have to shoulder so much of the tax burden. Unfortunately, where the bottom 40% are concerned, despite the rich's best efforts you can't get blood from a stone. So until someone makes the ultra rich pay up, you're it!

Term limits is a great example of an attempt to eleviate one problem, could easily create a much greater problem. Do you remember the rights biggest talking point against Obama? His lack of experience! Can you imagine the corruption if a politition knew he could not run again?

Allow us all be Truthful about these two candidates, neither can Really fix the problem. It Requires more than a president to clean up the mess that has been made of our Federal government. Appear at the lack of Phrase limits in the Congress and Senate.
Do you turly believe an Congressman who has been in office the last 30 years can Really make
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