Sure could, and more power to them... ungrateful people! Get over yourselves, you can't hide your bigotry and aren't even trying anymore... shameful behavior!

Here are other reasons why Americans dont want part of a country that foolishly, blindly voted for a man that Hangs out with Criminals. Like Jay-Z How presidential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawN7uJ8s8s&feature=related < facts about Obama.

If Florida were to break up into two dtates, who would get Rick Scott. I would want to live in the other side!!

The people who want to secede are the Republicans, who can't get over the fact that Obama won and Romney lost. The Republicans are just sore losers.

Well, here is the thing. 1st. Obama's agenda is to make us join up with the United Nations Agenda of equal Distribution of wealth. And before you nay-says talk look it up. 2nd Obama is a Socialist. He is Racist along with his wife. Michele particularly takes a stab slavery each time the the thought moves her. As when she mentioned how slaves built the White House. 3rd, If Florida , Texas and Georgia all managed to accomplish Secession the comment made down below how more Hispanics would move here and become a 3rd world country..nope...See, the groups that live of Obama's welfar handout would leave and go to States that offered it .. We would be free of those people..

P.S. forgive my typo's below...This whole mess truly troubles me... Secession will never happen. Washington won't allow it. The idea of it being so big right now with the voices of Americans is that it is a way to Make Obama see who we feel. Seceeding in reality wont happen now.....yet as I said this is venue to vocalize how NAmerica feels. nay-sayers talk how Obama is the greatest..Again read his Books. They are a clear description of his racist views, how he hates American Views, talks about his Muslim Faith...so before you open your mouth get educated. Read his words, then you will see.. Oh But wait. You wont read it and if you do you will only call it lies anyway.

Lawrence,
Without Congressional approval he will have a hard time doing anything of the things people say he is capable of doing. That is the beauty of our structure.

Oh. How the Obama Youth Brigade. Just like Hitler Youth. ... Care to take a peek.........Remember the Hitler Youth Brigades? Perhaps not but ask anyone who lived in Germany back then. They will tell you... it's happening again.

Thank you Lawerence to go straight to labeling instead of an intelligent agrument. So with that have a wonderful day. It shows your lack of agrument.

Lawrence, Obama is joining the United Nations to redistribute our wealth? He is also a racist, a socialist, and a Muslim? His followers are like the Hitler Youth? You have to be the most conspiracy-believing delusional person that I have seen commenting on the Patch. I hope that Obamacare will help you pay for some treatments for your mental health condition.

Joe C.

Here's what Lawrence was referencing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaX0E5xcXGw

Don't worry, they are indoctrinating all the youth.
www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html

Frank...I do hope you have read the response of Lawrence Z. He relates the truth about the matter quite well.

I disagree that Florida would become like third world nations. Our economy would far surpass the other states still part of the U.S. because we would take what we pay in federal taxes now and use it for local government and the local economy. I would immediately hire two new people to work in my company with the money I would save.

Don, if you had not noticed, there were only 6 (six) counties that were predominately Democrat voters. You obviously don't know or had not watched those results.

Shiela, if you had not noticed, there were actually 13 (thirteen) counties that voted Democrat in the last election. Except for Jacksonville, all of those counties contain a major city where the majority of the population live. This state's most educated citizens voted and won.

Oh like you mean all the illegals here in the country that Obama gives heath care and welfare to? Oh yeah but that is ok isn't it. Break the law and poof instant money.

Real Americans want the constituion left alone. Real Americans don't want a handout. But ask anyone from the days of Hitler and they will tell you. OMG it's happening again.

Florida is #1 on the list of states who receive the MOST FEDERAL MONEY (per capita). Texas is #9. How's that for irony? Good luck on your own.

Billy Ray, did you have a traumatic potty training experience as a toddler? I'm just quessing here, but I would bet that your kindergarten teacher also wrote "does not play well with others" on the comments section of your report card too.

If you are looking for lazy non productive entitlement people in our society, then I suggest that you start with Mitt Romney and all of his corporate welfare friends who have been receiving most of the recent federal tax cuts and by far the most federal government assistance.

Florida's economy would collapse without all the Social Security and Disability "entitlements" that flow here from "big government".

Sorry we don't have basements in Florida. We have our rations and munitions stockpiles in Bunkers and Trailers in the Ocala National Forest

Larry, You actually believe that Pres. Obama is a racist and a socialist who doesn't believe that the constitution applies to him and therefore he should resign? Wow! The extremist right wing comments seem to be getting crazier every day. Please turn off Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and go read a book. You should think about living in reality and not in the conspiracy-loving Fox News bubble.

Could not have said it better myself. After reading his book, anyone who thinks rationally would NEVER vote someone with those views, in as president. At least with him not being our leader, we would stand a chance of survival.

AMEN brother.....

Fortunately, there are far, far, far fewer lunatics that want "secession' (I guess they missed the chapter on the US Civil War) than even voted for Romney, and that was a minority of Americans. So, you have a small minority of a minority, or maybe 1/2 of 1% of the American people.

Let them foam at the mouth, and let the FBI deal with any that move to take actions against the Constitution; those crazies have been screaming at the rain in deep red neck country for decades, and periodically the FBI and state law enforcement have to bring them to justice.

Well, I do believe sir, as evidenced by your various comments posted here within that you have exposed yourself as a racist and ignorant buffoon. Sorry, I couldn't resist wallowing down in the mud with you, Lawrence. As one of my favorite comedians, Larry the Cable Guy, often says "That there's funny, I don't care who you are."

Lawrence, you should re-read the Constitution and all the amendments. We are not longer a Republic, but a representative democracy, which means we elect officials to represent the people. The people have spoken, in a majority, for the elected officials we now have. Your remarks are nothing but veiled racism.

No brains....Like Obama voters.

Jacob, I have to disagree with your statement. I have a genius level IQ and I voted for Obama. I think you need to get over it and again, turn off Rush and Faux News and get the real story behind things.

If Florida became an independent nation would we be allowed to leave this godforsaken mentally "backward" state to travel to more "civilized" and cultured areas in the United States? Or would we be forever stuck inside a self imposed prison with Rick Scott shooting everyone who tried to cross the state line to go see a Broadway show in NYC or visit relatives?

Because I love America .. because I was born in America .. because my father fought in WWII for our freedom and was awarded the Purple Heart .. I wouldn't want to live in a place that separated itself from America.

If Florida EVER became an independent nation, America and American citizens should consider it a traitor and an enemy.

PLease don't assume that all Republicans would want "secession."

This Republican certainly does not, and most Republicans that I know also would not.

You are talking about a tiny minority of extreme right wing nuts, and they are an embarrassment to the Republican Party, and this great nation.

Steve, did you perchance see the state's actual voting results? did you happen to notice that there were only 6 (six) counties that "went Democratic?" And take a peek at where they were!

Sheila,
Yes, the 6 most populated and tend to be the most educated areas of the state. Is that what you were pointing out. All that matters in our electorial process is population centers. That is why the candidates only spent the most time in those counties.

BillyRay,
If our checkbook would be balanced, then why is our state deeply in debt now. Blaming the government for the lay offs that companies are doing to capturing record profit growth isn't just short sighted. How do you explain the average real corporate annual profit growth of 77.4% the last four years. So you are blaming the government for companies growing after dealing with a -17.4% annual profit growth under 8 years of Bush. You are blaming for the Government for the lack of business management when the signs were out there and new legislation is out there. That is on the managers of business.

Billy Ray, did you have a traumatic potty training experience as a toddler? I'm just quessing here, but I would bet that your kindergarten teacher also wrote "does not play well with others" on the comments section of your report card too.

Maybe the losers will be a little smarter next time. (but I doubt it).

No one in any of these states undestands all the services and business that are vitally important for their state to be sustainable that the government gives the state.

If you paid into Social Security you get your check even if you live out of the US. No military works for Costa Rica, I think it could work for Florida. The highways are here already. The border along Ga. & Ala, would be safe enough, no border agents. We could contract with the US for Coast Guard coverage and we could begin trade with Cuba. Secession sounds like a win-win-win !

NONSENSE!!!

You could be living in Antartica and still get your SS check monthly.

Someone who plagerized Jefferson Davis and paraphrased the text poorly, perhaps. Just like P.T. Barnum said, 'there's a sucker born every minute."

Who wrote it? Probably some backwoods Florida redneck with a third grade education .. on the other hand because it's Florida it could be a college graduate. You would think that "someone" would have had enough brains to run a spell check! So typical of this pitiful state ..

Now imagine the state WITHOUT federal funding of education!

Suzanne.......compare American students with the world.....before AND after the creation of the Federal Dept of Ed.

FYI: They have dumbed down the public. Look around, it's quite obvious.

Don't believe me? Read so for yourself:
http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/

By the way, most States have more money stolen by DC for education than they receive back.

-Ben Franklin 1775.
Can you guess who said this? "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

VofR,
I do know the history, and due to what happened after the Civil War the 10th Ammendment lost a lot of the power behind it. So, yes, I do remember the Civil War, and the aftermath which reduced the power of the 10th Amendment. The Constitution is what is considered a living document, meant to change with time. Do you believe all rules initially written in the Constitution hold true today? The Florida economy which is currently largely based on tourism, doesn't overall have the workforce to be self sustain. There are natural resources as you point out, but where is the mass manufacturing going to happen in Florida today? The things you point out as having, like Oil fields which are mostly in international waters which are not owned by Florida. Texas does have some oil, but not as much as it did 30 years ago. Where is this great technological base you are referring to between Florida, Texas, and Lousiana.. It's not like we are Silicon Valley. We are about average, maybe below average. The one thing Florida would have is their second strongest industry after Tourism, Cattle.

Yes, my oath (taken first when I enlisted, and later took upon my commissioning as an officer) was to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States", but you have either forgotten, or deliberately chosen to ignore, the words of the oath immediately after that: "against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Secessionists would be domestic enemies of the Constitution.

As a retired officer (and not merely a former officer) I am still duty bound by that oath, and the only reason why I wouldn't take up military arms against secessionists is that I am too old and decrepit to be of value for that purpose.

But there are hundreds of thousands on active duty, and millions more in reserve and retired, ready to do what is necessary if the FBI is not capable of battling any secessionists.

Secede..............Decriminalize hemp and you would see businesses being built daily.

The first State to start producing products made from hemp will experience a bigger explosion than the industrial revolution.

The NON-THC containing hemp plant.......you know, THC, the stuff that actually gets one high.......the stuff NOT present in industrialized hemp..........this plant can produce over 50,000 products.

Florida has the perfect climate to grow giga-tons of hemp........but alas, the populace is so dumbed down they still believe the "reefer madness" propaganda and want to remain in fantasyland believing a plant must be restricted.

I as well took the oath of enlistment during my time in the Marines. I fully support the secessionist for those that claim you are still duty bound you are right. You are duty bound to ensure that your country remains free and that its people remain free. To ensure individual sovereignty from any Government and its agencies that are in tyranny. To ensure any law that is contrary to the Constitution is null and void. The Constitution and its attachments, including Federalist Paper, The Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence lays forth the duties of the people to protect themselves and each other from domestic encroachments on liberties and lives. The Federal Government has no authority to overstep its limited powers. However over the decades the Federal Government has do just that. Repeatedly overstepped its bounds. Infringed upon your civil liberties and has become a government that is self serving. It is no longer a Government for the people by the people rather a puppet Government serving its "special interest" at the cost of its citizens. The problem is the Infringing has be sold as "Whats Best for You" and "One Size Fits All" to the point that the average person has no idea what they have lost. The 10th Amendment only lost its power because WE THE PEOPLE allowed it to. Let you forget that the government derives its power from the govern. Unless willing forfeit your right to self govern, if that be the case, I feel sorry for you and your children.

Well, Patrick, you are part of less than a small minority of Americans; in fact, by your attitude you should no longer call yourself an American, but instead speak of yourself as a Rejectionist, or maybe even a Confederate.

The rest of us, including this war veteran, would agree to fund your trip to some other country, but you cannot take ANY part of this nation.

The American people have spoken, and I doubt that a second Civil War would be necessary to enforce US law, and maintain the Union. The FBI alone will put you and the other teeny minority of anti-Americans in your place, and whether that is prison, or deportation, I don't care.

Just go, and leave America and its good citizens alone.

BillyRay,
I think we all understand what Debt is. Most major corporations carry functional debt. Do you think it is as easy as A+L = E? I don't believe anyone has lost the sense of reason, but also we know these things are not happening in a vaccuum. Our state is bleeding money, because we are poorly structured for industry. Like our country, the workforce isn't educated with the correct skills for the jobs of the 21st Century. In all business mathematics you aren't looking at just basic mathematics. You have to take the derivatives of what is going on, see the tends. The problem is both our business and government leaders were not doing that for the last 12+ years. How do you expect to recover from businesses losing out on profit of approximately 20% for 8 years, then taking cost cutting measures to regrow. It's not as easy as a solution as what you are claiming.
What you are also saying is, "In America we create problems, then cut and run. We no longer fix the mess we made"

BillyRay, I do understand the concept of our federal debt. I understand how it was caused by the Republican administration of Bush/Cheney who started two wars, refused to pay for the costs of these wars, and then gave tax breaks for millionaires. The cause of our current federal debt is actually very easy to understand.

Billy Ray, did you have a traumatic potty training experience as a toddler? I'm just quessing here, but I would bet that your kindergarten teacher also wrote "does not play well with others" on the comments section of your report card too.

Joe C.............it's so sad to see how you believe everything is the R's fault. Are you seriously that delusional?

It's freaking crazy how out of touch with reality you are........it's readily available for all to see it is the system you should be railing against, not one of the criminal gangs.

I can show you so many instances where the D's are just as involved with the wealthy as the R's. You really think a Nancy Pelosi type individual cares about the poor.......and actually represents them? Give me a break. 99% of the politicians do not give a damn about you and I......the sooner all realize this, the sooner we can enact change.

As it is, Joe C. people like you and others who buy into the rhetoric of one side are the problems in the country. I seriously am blown away by how people insanely stick up for "their team" as they bash the "other team".............meanwhile many of us are attempting to make you realize they are wearing the same uniforms......bought and paid for by the same owners.

Ted, that guy's Nissan was built in Tennessee. That other guy's Ford was built in Mexico. Car building and designing is global.

Additionally, it is near impossible to move to Japan. They have extremely strict immigration policies.

And the trickiest part of this endeavor would be counting votes accurately and timely in the event of an election. We cannot do that now. You think this would change in the event of a secession? LET IT REST PEOPLE, LET IT REST! Find something else to fixate on......

I don't think it would be that difficult for Florida or any other state to break off from the US. The government infrastructure is already there. It would be a matter of negotiation of the state's share of the national debt and whether the Democratic part of the state (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade & Monroe) could remain as part of the US. States could also form looser associations with the Federal Govt...like a commonwealth. I think independence or a looser association with the Federal government could be a good idea for states if a majority of its population wants it. It should be discussed without name calling and partisian nastiness. Its a legitimate thing to discuss. Peoples all over the world broke off at one time or another to form their own countries. I can only imagine how much happier both sides might be.

Spencer,
Both parties are in on the mess that has been made. But is there answer to secceed or reform. The problem, is we as a society do not expect more out of our government. This is not a Red/Blue, Obama/Romney, Democrat/Republican issue. It's an American Issue. Our economy is owned by a corporate majority. Politicans want you to think it is people who run this organization, but it's the corporations. The 1%ers aren't people, but corporations. We keep giving loopholes and buyouts to the corporations. As Americans as a single voice, we should be saying "I've had enough, and we are not going to take it anymore". But instead we get divided on issues that in the grand view matter little. While the Corporate parties Rep/Dem are taking our money and rights out from under us. Secession is just saying, we have lost the will to fix what is broke. Reform in all phases is what I would say is needed.

Yeah Billy Ray, first rational post we have read from you. Your coming around and beginning to play well with others. Keep up the good work! What do you think about asking those who are the most wealthy in our society to step-up and pay more to help in relieving our debts. As they are the ones who benefit the most from our capitalist system, infastructure and rules, shouldn't they be the first to offer and help in our country's time of need?

BillyRay,
First which politican is lying? Both. agrument there is done.
Due to our structure, we are not at the point of teetering, but we aren't as far from it as others think as well. The Partisanship has created an environment or lack of movement. American is a strong and beautiful nation, but the people within it need to remember what we are truly founded on. Once we do that, we can start to move forward.

Joe,
This isn't a Red/Blue.. Republican/Democrat issue. The Republicans are not the only reason we are in the financial mess we are in today. Yes, the bubble bursted under Bush and his Economic policies were dated. But the issues we fact today have been brewing for decades. The partisan politics by both parties have injuried and factured this country. Republicans are not the only ones who have engaged in these tactics. Just like the Romney campaign wasn't the only one fighting dirty this year. We need to stop with the infighting, and start realizing this is an American issue. Pointing fingers at this point solves nothing.

In Florida, 70% of the electorate is white. 30% is Hispanic and Black in that order. The majority of white voters (Republican & Democrat) broke for Romney this election cycle. It was for one reason only. The economy. The Democratic Party successfully motivated turn out among the 30% and peeled off enough from the 70% to win the election. This election wasn't about race, multiculturalism or anything else among most Romney supporters.

Joe C.: FYI This secession is not about this multi-cultural mumbo jumbo or the fact that the president is black. (It so happens that he is also 1/2 white). It is a statement that the people who voted by principles and prioritites (such as the failing economy, Joe) are extremely dissatisfied. As a Conservative, I had every intention of voting for Herman Cain, and even sent for bumper stickers to elect him. so, your statements are racial!

Back down here after being gone for 7 months. This economy is in a serious depression. You all need to take a look around. Several people I know have had there homes foreclosed on. The inventory in the local shops is totally depleted and we are a week and a half from Black Friday. Locals just walking around town with nothing to do either because they are out of work or afraid to part with a dime. And mark my word....it is only going to get worse. Obamacare will not be able to save you.

Thank you ... A Voice of Reason No one has made more sense then you. .. thank You.

Great idea. Belize please.

Your kidding, right! Are you telling me that California, New York, Nevada, Washington, and Pennsylvania are more fiscally fit then, Texas, Florida and Wisconsin? It's true that Mississippi usually ranks at the bottom of the economic scale but that's because it's poor. What is California's excuse? Blue Virginia and Maryland are low in unemployment not because of industry or production but due to the Federal Government pork pie. This is where the federal workers live off of our tax dollars!
Listen, if you're satisfied with the way things are going, God bless you but I pity your children. We can engage in political banter ad infinatum but it won't change the simple facts that we are going in the wrong direction. The seccession movement, I believe, is a wake-up call that a large group of our population is dissatisfied with our present government; not the form, but the function as it is practiced today. I don't know why this clueless dolt won again (but it does concern me) but if we keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, it is certainly insane! (paraphrased: Albert Einstein)
America now votes for who is the most popular super star, like high school, rather than who would have the best chance of getting us back on our feet. We are the American Idol, Dancing with the Stars nation now, not the responsible world leader that we used to be and the bastion and example of freedom and liberty.

most accurate statement here.

Mitch, You may not be able to secede from this country, but you are free to leave it if you want. For anybody that's not happy that Pres. Obama won the election, I say that you either accept the results of our election or just go live somewhere else if you're not happy being here.

Mitchell, Lincoln was definitely tyrannical like the rest of them......but we were taught to believe the Civil War was about slavery. Pfft.........that was so miniscule, it's amazing people have bought the lie for so many years.

And, of course, liberals are just sweet little pussy cats who wouldn't curtail a person's right to free speech (as long as you agree with them) and certainly have no anarchist's or violent protestors among their ranks. The fuzzy little cuties wouldn't think of being intolerant to another's beliefs and religious freedoms and they all wholly support the laws and Constitution of the land! poppycock!!!

I've been to Haiti. You are wrong.

Amen!

The fact that there was no serious "secessionist" movement by opponents of Dubya (as much as I hated his regime) speaks volumes about the contrasting nature of the current opposition to President Obama, and the clear reelection choice of a majority of American voters.

I agree with your sentiments Brian, but there will never be a time when you can have a civil discussion about politics, especially online. Its all about name calling, insults, etc. as a means to get a point across I guess thats what people think passes as discussion today. Its unfortunate.

Joe C,
We get it you think all Republicans are racists, liars, hate women, and believe in Religious extremism. Which is far from the truth. There are some extreme factions in both parties. But you are sounding more and more like an extremist who only follows the Liberal side of the Media. Just as those extremists on the Republican side only listen to the Conservative side of the Media.
This just in not all Republicans are Racist, infact some are not white. Some do beleive in social programs. Universal Health Care is originally a Republican Idea. Because in the end it saves the states and Fed money. George H. W. Bush is the one who started the balancing the Budget in the early 90's by raising the taxes on the rich. Wasn't he Republican?

Michael D., My point was the importance of our U.S. constitution in protecting our rights in here Florida. If this state ever seceded from the Union, the U.S. Constitution would no longer apply and that is a great risk to all of our individual freedoms and liberties. Prior comment here have mainly argued about the economic downside of separation from the U.S. and the finacial burdens of doing everything ourselves from creating a military to paying out social security checks to seniors. I agree that there are radicals on the left and the right. However at the moment, it appears to be those on the extreme right who want to remove the gains achieved by women and minorities, suppress the right to vote, and impose their personal and religious beliefs on everybody else.

Joe you are obviously a learned man who has the ability to think critically and frame your aurguments in an objective and rational manner. I find your comments to be refreshing considering some of the rhetoric being bandied about in this forum. That being said, I say we let the sessionist Confederate States of America secede, Willard Romney could be their President, as he won the majority of them anyway, and he could appoint Donald Trump as his Vice-President, considering his extensive bankruptcy experiance, give them their percentage of national debt and remove all military assests to the Northern States. Of course, then when they fail to pay or default on their debts, we take all those military assets and march through the south like "Uncle Billy" did, once again. Except this time we end up on the shores of Texas leaving a path of devastating death and distruction in our wake. Too soon, perhaps? Us Damn Yankees and our mixed race President, anyway! These Sessionists are like the petulant child who doesn't like the rules or outcome of the game and decides to take their ball home so the other boys and girls can't play. F--- em, I say, let all these whiney little cry-babys take their balls and stick em where ....

Joe,
The Extreme Right are what is being broadcasted all over Liberal Media, just like the extreme Left is being broadcasted all over Conservative Media. Why because people eat it up. You watch those broadcasts to see the extremes, not what the other 80% of this country feels. News isn't about News anymore, it's about ratings. So you play right into the hands of the extreme right with banging the drums of how they are this and that. We give them power by this kind of conflict. If we were not so partisan in our nation (which your posts shows you are very partisan). These people who go under the rock they crawled out of and died. But it is the extreme left screaming at the top of their lungs that feeds the extreme right, and vice versa. It's not about partisanship anymore, this problem is too big and caused by both parties. Some of the regulations that were removed under Carter and Clinton were part of what caused this mess. To blame one said with broad brush strokes which you have started doing as of later. You are not taking your formally very intellicentual agruments, and turning them into they are not us... so they all believe this.

Michael, I realize that you are trying to be as neutral as possible in this debate, but there is a big difference between the right and the left today. Even when you listen to conservative news channels like Fox News, the conservatives main argument against liberals is an economic argument. You always hear that Pres. Obama is a socialistic entitlement President who is going to redistribute your wealth. You hear that he doesn't know how to create jobs and that he likes to give away government benefits like food stamps to the lazy 47%. A conservative's main argument against liberals is simply economic. However a liberal's argument against conservatives is more than economic. There is a liberal economic argument that the Republicans cut taxes for millionaires while supporting the Ryan budget that eliminates much of the middle class safety net. However, the main difference is that extreme conservatives also intend to take away the personal freedoms and civil liberties from others in society like women, minorities, gays, immigrants, etc. The religious right somehow seems to believe that everybody must obey their personal and religious beliefs. They have tried to use the government, the courts, referendums, and the school departments impose their religious beliefs and take away other's rights. This is why I have no problem taking the progressive side in the political debate between liberals and conservatives.

It's not neutrality, but I view things as what I am an Independent American. I see the extremes as the problem. Nothing to do with neutral, but with how I see our nation being brought down by extreme. I do not aim to be neutral, but informed. Your agrument is basically the Right/Conservatives are wrong on a number of social issues. Which yes, the party is behind the times. But you also blame them for all that has gone wrong economically. Bush though not the best economic president, not in a long shot. But isn't the cause of all the problems. Just like Republicans are not the racist fearmonigers that you protray them. Their are some that are, and there are some that I find to be pure evil. But your agruments have come down to all the general liberal media talking points. Honestly, as an independent the 47% coment didn't matter to me. Because he was right, 47% percent of the electoriate wasn't going to vote for him regardless of what he said. nowing lobbysts I knew that Roe v. Wade wasn't going anywhere. Just like there was about 47% of the electoriate in our fractured nation that wasn't going to vote Obama. The true test was the group inbetween. Obama won that, his margin in electorial votes was great, but in popular votes not so much. We are a fractured nation by people who think they know what is best listening to just one side of an extreme story.

You hit the nail on the head, tatjana. The secession movement is frunning to America, not from it. I live in North Miami, all the houses surrounding me have multiple families living in them and many are out of work. I don't recognize American anymore.

JoAnn....you've made an excellent point ! Bravo! This is all about making the statement that this entitlement cannot go on and still have this country sustained!!

Nailed it, Jo Ann! Well said.

David, I appreciate your informed comments and the consistency in which you make your arguments. I find that the current secessionist movement, which consists mainly of conservatives from Southern states, to be a movement with mostly racial undertones. There is a deep Southern resentment against federal government interference that has existed since the Abolitionist movement to end slavery and then with the resulting Civil War. Also in the 1950's and 1960's, the federal government sent federal troops to force the South to end racial segregation and give minorities their civil rights. Although most supporters of this movement don't state it openly, having just elected a black president has ignited this secessionist movement. This white Southern fantasy that they can return to an antebellum South if only the northern "Yankees" and Washington D.C. would just leave them alone is a very dangerous idea. Only 150 years ago, a war was fought over this idea of Southern secession and 620,000 people lost their lives. As George Santayana stated "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Alas, common sense needs to prevail Jo Ann, and I'm afraid with the state of that quality, presently, we haven't a chance. Too bad for our children and the world for that matter.

FYI: This has NOTHING t do with a racial thing, dear Carla! It does have to do with an ineffective, president who will lie to the American people and will deliberately keep information that affects the people from them! He is slowly but surely bringing this great country down.

Pres. Obama has not presented himself as a "Black" person and he has not acted as a "Blackman" in almost every situation so that he can remove himself from his white heritage. This is a ridiculously stupid and racist statement. The President is an intellectual and a Harvard University Law School graduate. As President, he has always acted as a thoughtful and caring President, not simply as a black president as you allege. The President was born biracial and he has equal black and white heritage. He does not spend any of his time separating himself from his white heritage. Your comments show just how racist much of this country still is and how far we still need to go to achieve racial equality.

www.barackobama.com/african-americans

Well, since we "humans" apparently originated in Africa millions of years ago, I suppose we should ALL consider ourselves as "Other" ....

So happy you want to extend the vote to children. Try using adults of voting age as your base.

Very good point, Samuel!!!Kudos!

I love how the presstittues in the dinosaur media distorts facts and figures as they constantly lie to the public, yet when one of the "people" attempt to do the same, oh no......we must add in all the caveats.......even though what is being said is factually correct.

LYNDA, we might as well extend voting privileges to children, the majority of them would be just as informed......or should I say ill-informed.....as the rest of the voting public. It's quite obvious the majority of Americans are 100% clueless when it comes to the Politics.

Want to laugh and cry.......go to you tube and type in Obama supporters or Romney supporters. And if you actually do that......type in Ron Paul supporters and tell me is you notice a difference between the 3 groupings of people.

I simply provided the actual numbers so the people who keep stating "AMERICA HAS SPOKEN" can see that their thinking is flawed. People believe Obama has the big mandate due to the Electoral College trouncing, but this is furthest from the truth.

Nearly 4 out of 6 Americans did not vote. Exclude the children if you prefer and it is still nearly 3 out of 6. 16 millions less voted this cycle......more and more Americans are seeing through the facade. If only we could get all those who are apathetic to join the ranks of the incensed.

Samuel Clemens or should I call you Mark Twain? An appropriate name for this discussion, I might add. I couldn't agree with you more. Our Educational system should be very proud of their success of burning tax dollars and dumbing-down the American student. Our media should be very proud of their obviously biased, factually remiss, tripe they call the "news". Our millionaire career politicians should be proud of pilfering the public coffers for their own agenda while they have the guts to ask us for more (feudal system anyone?) and in the mean time, denigrate successful people who actually EARNED their wealth (once the American Dream obtainable by all).

We have lost our way and the self-perpetuating cycle that we are on doesn't allow for objective options. Isn't the U.S. "too big to fail"? Why are we allowing it? Those of us who have "grown-up" and informed ourselves on the facts of geopoliticism are doomed to the petty whims of the great unwashed American Idol masses.
Sometimes you have to let the child get hurt to learn their lesson. The Roman Empire, as did all the other great empires, failed, maybe it's our turn. Unfortunately it will be a much more dangerous world that is left for us to fend in and all those who preceded us to obtain our present liberty will have their efforts gone in vain.
God bless America, somebody needs to!

What you are failing to understand by presenting us with these numbers.....is that your buddy Romney was less popular than that....idiot

Jo Ann,
The problem is We the People won't listen. Because they are two caught up being filled with the same media and system that holds us down.

Jo Ann. SC does not have "statistical insight". His numbers (like Gov. Romney's budget numbers) just don't add up. Please use some common sense when reading comments like his. Can children vote? No, but they are included in his numbers Can felons vote" No, but they are included in his numbers. The only appropriate statistic is the per cent of adults of voting age. And that is not the number he used. In any case the whole argument is nonsense since our election system counts registered voters who actually cast a ballot. Of that number, President Obama received 50%+ of all the voters who voted.

jasminetea,
I know you are critical of the President. But when it comes to state revenue, the governor and those in the state capitol have a greater impact. Have you thought about asking what they have been doing for the last 20 years to help develop our economy, so we are not based so greatly on Tourism?

jasminetea, I'm not AT ALL surprised that Florida is the second poorest state in the nation. Education here is also at the bottom of the list (with Mississippi). Florida has always been a "crap" state. The tourists are just about the only thing that ever kept it going .. and now the tourists are afraid to come here due to the high level of violent crime.

Michael D. is 100% correct ... very little has been done to develop the economy here.

Florida govt. "goober mentality" has always been on finding ways to suck the life out of the tourists, but now the tourists are getting wise ...

Wow, thanks for stating it so clearly and logically, American Patriot.

Let those “secession” supporters, who want to destroy the Union, just leave America; as several posters have already said, love it or leave it.

Not sure what America you are a Patriot for........but the original America wasn't established as a Democracy.

Democracy..........2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner.

I'm simply pointing out what others obviously do not see when they claim "the country has spoken" or "the majority of the country" came out and supported the President. It's not true, so I feel the need to make all aware of the reality. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NOT SPOKEN. People spout off about FACTS, well what I said is a fact. The majority of Americans did not consent to either of the gangs in the Two-Party Dictatorship.

By the way, I love how so many talk about all the unity......not being divided......as they tell others to get the heck out of the country! Just because you and others are happy with the present day America doesn't mean the rest of us who do not like it are supposed to leave if we don't.

The country began from a Revolution over an approx 2% tax on the people............like those folks, I am tired of all the taxation without representation.

You enjoy paying Property Taxes?
How about having the fruits of your labor stolen to pay the PRIVATE Federal Reserve interest on the debt?

We used to actually own "our" property in this country.....now we are mere serfs.

We used to be free men......free to work without having money stolen from us at the barrel of a gun.

I do not know about any other, but I agree....Give me Liberty or give me death.

Oh, my, Mr Clemens thinks that it is the 2012 presidential election, and ONLY the 2012 election, in which a majority of the citizens of voting age did not affirmatively approve the choice of the majority of the citizens who bothered to vote.

Guess, what, Sammy. You're wrong, and even dead wrong.

No majority of voting age Americans has EVER affirmatively approved the person selected by the majority vote of those Americans who bothered to vote.

None.

không chút nào.

Nada.

Nicht.

But that doesn't matter to you, Sammy boy, does it? Why worry about the truth, and why worry about context, and why worry about anything that doesn't suit your distorted fancy?

You're one piece of work, unfortunately, deeply flawed.

Now I know old age probably brings eyesight problems, but I'm guessing the lack of reading comprehensions skills has been with Allie's Grandfather all his life.

I am well aware of the history of voting..........like 16 millions less voted this year. They are obviously aware of the fraud.........I'm attempting make others aware as well. Some are so dumbed down they actually believe the majority of the country supported Obama.....just as Bush....so on and so forth.

I'm simply pointing out the truth, you can interpret it however you choose, but why attempt to belittle me for pointing out the obvious??

As you can see.....I'm one of the only ones posting here who actually attempts to back up what I say. Practically every single one of you who attack me only hurl insults, with no backing whatsover. I'm not a freaking idiot......please do not insult my intelligence because it makes you feel better about yourself or something.

I'm not sure why you want to pound on your chest while responding to another for showing a statistical analysis. But what do I know, I am simply attempting to educate others......not win any contest.

Hugo, you just don't "get" it, do you? YOU are the one who is looking at this election and the thought of states wanting to recede as racism. Yes, Hugo..YOU! You don't realize by now that people who voted for Romney wanted a President who was more "effective," more willing to stand up for America (instead of apologizing for it), and a president who had a real plan to try to turn the economy around. I would imagine that you are also one of the people who are still blaming Bush for the last 4 years.

Hugo, You are absolutely right that the secessionist movement began right after America elected a black President. White racists will call Pres. Obama a "socialist", a "communist", a "foreigner", a "Muslim", etc., but these are just false labels to hide the real truth. The truth is they can't stand that our President is a black man and so they now want to secede from the Union to form a collection of mainly Southern states that will only elect white conservative Republicans. The secessionist white Republican's fantasy world involves watching Fox News, turning on the radio to listen to Rush Limbaugh, openly carrying their guns, keeping their women at home cooking and cleaning, and calling everyone who disagrees with them a "socialist".

ST, update yourself on the new talking points. Not even Gov. Romney is using those old ones from your comment. According to his latest conference call with his special donors (apparently you aren't one), the Romney/Ryan ticket was just out bid by the Obama/Biden ticket for voters. The voters just wanted more "free stuff" than Gov Romney could pay for so he lost. Face it, everyone who supported Gov. Romney lived in a fantasy world. It is time for them to wake up to reality and get on with their lives.

Come along, LYNDA......sing along with those who wanted their free stuff!

Dare you to listen, it's really catchy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-2i71bqGw

Although I do wonder about this lady? Think she got her free stuff?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVIv_WRlaxM

I'm actually dumbfounded, though, I assumed all would vote for Obama for his energy policy. He does have the answer to stop the foreign old "dependence."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0

FYI: Unlike the majority here, I can and do the same with Romney and all the other criminals. If you actually watched the Obama clip, could you imagine the media if Bush stated something like that? By the way, he actually put forth that energy proposal more than once.

Low information voters, whose main source of information is Fox News, will believe any internet conspiracy theory that they see. This United Nations conspiracy theory is laughable like the rest of them. Why don't you actually read a book instead and maybe you could even learn what a "socialist" really is?

Man, Joe C......do you always lump every person into a group based on a belief?

I am aware of the UN Agenda 21 CONspiracy and I do not have cable. So I guess I am a crazy conspiracy nut since I've actually perused the document and am aware of the implementation occurring in the world.

Perhaps you can read the document yourself to see just how crazy people are.......the crazy people are the ones who back the contents within:
/www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/Agenda21.pdf

One of their main groups is ICLEI. For your information, Pinellas County is a previous member.......those crazy tin foil wearers forced the County to withdraw their membership. If you are interested:

www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/members/member-list

10:24 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012

www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Joe C........just because you are unaware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Check out Rosa Koire.....she's a leftist just like you.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtCb45Lqt0

You should check out the most updated "vision" for America map via "The Wildlands Project." And while you are at it, check out the NAFTA Super Highway map and tell me if you notice anything when comparing the two.

That's the American spirit Commando! Don't agree with US........attack.....enslave......eliminate.

The point, Sam, is that the matter of secession -- possible, or not possible -- was settled, nearly one hundred and fifty years ago, by a very bloody Civil War.

Those who persist in denying that secession is not legally possible are doomed to suffer the fate of those who attack the Constitution.

You can disagree all you want.

You can rant, and rave, just like the extreme leftists did over the George W Bush selection in 2000, and then his actual election in 2004, but you can't secede.

Therefore, if you persist in perpetrating that myth then you must accept the consequences of what must happen with secessionists, not protestors, but secessionists.

Punto final.

Dad of Three........be EXTREMELY thankful others throughout history have NOT shared your sentiments or you probably wouldn't be here stating incorrect info.
Hope you do not tell your children....."meh, don't even try.....it's been attempted before."

If you reference the Constitution, you are obviously aware that secession is an idea put forth by the very people who wrote the thing. How do you think we have this country.......by shaking hands and treaties?

So I guess we should all just put our heads down and "go along to get along?" Meh, never ever go against the power structure.....be good little slaves. Sorry, but this country doesn't represent the will of the people. Something needs to change and it has nothing to do with Obama, Romney, Bush or any of the other front men.

I cannot state it enough, just because you are unaware of something doesn't make it untrue. The States created the Federal Govt. It is their baby.....child. Contrary to popular belief, the Fed is dependent upon the States. How many of you let you children dictate everything in your life?????????

By your statements, I guess it's......"DAD OF THREE HAS SPOKEN!!! DECISION FINAL!"

FYI: It was only about 3%-5% who actually backed the Revolution.....the rest parroted your "don't step out of line views." Rest assured, those who have truly been infused with the true message of Liberty will never subscribe to your defeatist beliefs.

vera charles, that's too funny!

Actually, before settling in Pasco County Alfred E. Newman travelled ALL over the south impregnating millions of women and THIS is the reason SO MANY southern "rednecks" look just like him. True fact ..

Doubt there are many "Birchers" residing in Pasco, but it is definitely comprised of "what me worry types" living with their Normalcy Bias.

I do believe the Reds are already here. For those with the ability to read and discern............take a gander at the planks of the Communist Manifesto.
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

#5 is the worst.

Dedicated to the latest edition of Samuel Clemens:

The Joseph Goebels News Network has reported that the US State Department has signed a treaty with the Romulans, and pledged that all white males between the ages of 18 and 65 will serve two year terms in the Blue Helmet Forces of the Romulan Empire.

On that basis Glenn Breitbart, lead anchor for Goebels, has theorized that this means that Obama will now release the five Klingons, who someone's fourth cousin in Charlston claimed are being held in Area 51, to the Gamma Sigma terrorist brigade based on the planet Alderaan.

The fact that the twelve captured Klingons, part of the Klingon invasion force which the Obama-led US Armed Forces has been unable to locate, are now being granted preferred work-visa status by Obama's left-wing Immigration and Nationalization Service, is cited by other unidentified sources as proof that socialism now exists in this country.

Once those fifty-seven Klingons receive their visas, it is expected that they will take over the public library system in the United States, thereby rendering everyone not now watching Goebels News as clueless as those who do.

C'mon, COMMANDO...everybody knows the deal was made with the Reptoids on the Eddie Bernays propaganda machine channels.

The planetary regime definitely originated from Teegeeack or quite possibly Tatooine. Alien-Fighter Krugman has yet to determine which, but he's out there in space wandering aimlessly.

I submit the invaders are actually from Ziontonville. Word is they are hell bent on forcing the Proles to pay for their breathing. Humanist Eugenicist, the real leader, envisions a brave new world for humanity; he wants to fatten us all for a nice Sanger slaughter. Although 1,984 will escape with the help of 1,776 time travelers, the remaining 500 million will become scientific guinea pigs in the Carnegefeller indoctrination centers. Future generations will interpret the truth via the Flexner Report.
Meanwhile, All hail Humanist Eugenicist!!

Yes, this "talk" about secession IS SILLY ..... the day after Obama won the election the neighbor down the street hung a Confederate flag on his porch. Just like little kids, some people can't stand it when they dont get what they want.

In a few weeks this crazy talk will subside and people will return to their everyday lives again ..

Marc, lets see how happy you are in 2014 when Obamacare is at full tilt. Oh! my bad, you also have a master's in public health. Sorry buddy, you'll be ok because you are part of the system, it's just the rest of us in serfdom that will be affected. Long live the King!
Hey, good advice as well, "Get Over It" very well thought-out argument. I'll need to take that to heart. Profound!

Carla, Knowledge is Power. I have more faith and hope knowing what I know........although I sometimes wish I subscribed to "ignorance is bliss!"

Let me ask you, Carla, do you watch the news on tv or read the newspapers? What do you think the media peddles?? FEAR. Watch your local news broadcast and tell me how much fear is induced, opposed to hope. I guarantee there's a heckuva lot more stories about how you should fear this........fear that.....rapes, murders, car accidents, malpractice, accidents, fires, tornadoes, robberies, etc......The news is the biggest fear monger out there today and people eat it up, but simply giving knowledge is equated to injecting fear?

As I said, it's quite evident, America has already gone way done the Communistic path. Seriously, any person with the ability to read and think for themselves can read the 10 planks and see just how many have been implemented.

How about this fear pushed upon all?
www.terror-alert.com/images/TerrorAlertChart.jpg
www.veoh.com/watch/e10625?h1=Reefer+Madness+(1938)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ON9SEAqL08 DUCK AND COVER!!

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the coming of the Reds,

They are standing in our closets, they are hiding neath our beds....

Alfred E. Newman is alive and well and living in not only Pasco County, but also in Pinellas, Hillsborough, and beyond.

Next maybe we'll hear chris allen tell us about the "black helicopters," the "blue helmet storm troopers," Sasquatch, the Loch Ness monster, and the space aliens being held in Area 51.

Maybe we'll also hear from others about George Soros, the Illuminati, and the "international Jewish conspiracy."

Be careful where you step; it looks like a herd of diarrhea-stricken cows has been walking through the Patch pasture.

Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies.
Dr. Ron Paul

People need to quit focusing on "getting the money out of politics" and if you truly believe in the political process........START ELECTING THOSE WITH INTEGRITY AND THOSE WHO STICK TO THEIR MORALS.

Quit blaming the money and start blaming those who accept the money............or more importantly, start blaming those electing these demons into office. The money has always been there and always will be..............especially when a private cartel controls the money supply via the Federal Reserve.

Start electing people with backbones instead of these spineless jellyfish.

Sadly, Sam, those with integrity would not last in office. This is not a commodity that is prized in politics. "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington", does not exist! Great movie, though.

So true!!

This sesession movement seems to be nothing more than a "sour grapes" reaction by those that hate the outcome of the election .. or at least that's how they are presenting themselves.

Its unfortunate that the Palestinians won't stop firing missles at Israel and that they purposely place their rocket launchers in civilian areas (mosques, schools, parks, etc). Its a shame that innocent people on both sides are dying because of Hamas' stupidity.

I read the article in your link. Just imagine how much better off we'd all be (on both sides) if the blue states had seceeded back in '04. The red states would have a balanced budget and the blue states (aligned w/Canada) would have free everything! :)

Don't worry, Sean Marsh, in a R administration, the good ole USA agreed to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America(SPP) with both Canada and Mexico. Have you ever heard of the S.P.P.? The Govts originally had a website for it, but due to much backlash from the informed, the countries took down the site and pretended to end the "partnership" but this is total bs.

Obama continued the merging of the countries when he and Prime Minister Harper singed the United States-Canada Regulatory Cooperation Council (RCC).....creating so-called perimeter defenses around North America. I know this will sound crazy to those who live in tv land, but what I just revealed is the beginnings of the North American Union.
The SPP website may be down, but the Canadians still have this one:
http://actionplan.gc.ca/en/page/bbg-tpf/border-action-plan

FYI: Those living in Europe were unaware of the European Union until they were living in it. The Treaty of Rome was the beginning of the Union, nearly 40 years prior to the unveiling of the present day EU. Step by step they laid plans through treaties and agreements between different parties until one day the people were living within an arrangement none of them agreed upon.

Anybody else alarmed by both the R's and the D's selling out to destroy what little sovereignty the people have left?

Oy vey!

Another one; so, let's add "Agenda 21" to Sasquatch, the Loch Ness monster, aliens in Area 51, and who knows what else. But what about the blue helmeted storm troopers and the black hawk helicopter raids?

So, let's all sing again:

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the coming of the Reds,

They are standing in our closets, they are hiding neath our beds....

Alfred E. Newman is indeed alive and well.

Vera............loving that Normalcy Bias.

Don't you enjoy how she makes fun of completely verifiable info? Pfft, gravity.....I supposed the next thing you will attempt to tell me is the Earth is flat. CONSPIRACY THEORIST. We all know the Sun revolves around the Earth.

What's next? Are you going to tell me 0 grams of trans fat is a BLATANT lie if any of the ingredients contains Hydrogenated crap.

C'mon, Marcus.......it's the manufactured Mad Magazine world where it's easier to make fun of others, opposed to actually looking into what they are saying.

I wish others would actually engage in true dialogue, instead of their juvenile TV induced antics.

*YAWN* .. I don't think ANY of us have a "life" or we wouldn't still be here "running in circles" like this. This topic has run out of gas ...

Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone ....

The loony tunes radical right wing nuts apparently operate on the basis of Napoleanic Law.

They tell you that you have to PROVE to them that their wild and hairy statements are untrue. Merely stating something, regardless of how feeble the "source", is their "proof" that it is true.

And, when someone mocks their lunatic statements, they tell you that those comments are not as valid as their wild and hairy pronouncements.

What total cow pies!

Funny how any person who seems to be concerned about real issues facing the nation.....not the fluff issues......is labeled "radical" or "right wing." If you are placing that label on me, you couldn't be more wrong.

Just because some of us are aware of what's happening in the world and want to make others aware doesn't mean we are crazy. The crazy ones are those who defend these nutjobs that parade around as our leaders.

I ask people to "prove me wrong" when they simply state I am craaazy or do not know what I am talking about. If you believe I am craaazy, how about you actually state something of substance, instead of simply believing you are right and I am wrong. Unlike most, I could care less if I am "right," I'm attempting to make others aware of things that really matter......and as you can see, I am sticking up for others who get belittled for attempting to speak of topics that truly affect us all.

It's quite easy to simply state....."ha! Conspiracy Theorist!" or "you're crazy," but it actually takes one to have some knowledge to show another how they are craazy.

Label me all you want, but you will never see ME simply stating another is wrong, I will attempt to show them the error of their ways. Hmmm, perhaps that is my problem, I actually do care about this world and it's inhabitants. It's quite obvious the majority of you do not....if you did, you would be so tied to the dogma and rhetoric from people who do not care about US.

Seriously, Commando, you think it's proper to call out another for something......yet YOU have no backing for bringing attention to what YOU deem as a fallacy?

Actually, I think Commando is one of those right wing nuts, since like Karl Rove, he believes he controls reality.

FYI: I do not make "comments," but rather they are statements that can be verified by any person who takes the time. It's not like I am speaking of things found on UFO sights, many instances I reference can be verified by reading Congressional Bills, from watching CSPAN clips, from mainstream news sources......................but I know, I know, it is much easier to condemn another for their awareness as you remain in your manufactured reality.

What do I know? Maybe I am crazy. I CHOOSE to not reside in a world of lies. Heck, my children know the truth about Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and all the others fairy tales forced upon the youth in the country.......heck, children are lied to so much growing up, no wonder it's so easy to believe all the lies told to them as adults.

For Sammy boy, you amy or may not be a right wing nut job.

But, wingnut or not, you are certainly an internet troll, as anyone going through a series of your posts could discover.

Troll on, lad, troll on.

Let's see, because we do so well with Left Wing Radicals????

Postman - Does your wife still have the great drop biscuit recipe? My family went nuts for those last Thanksgiving and I can't find it anywhere. My sister Helen must a stole it off my kitchen counter. She's got sticky fingers, if you know what I mean. Drop it in my box, honey, when you can. Thank you!

As a twenty-seven year former combat veteran of the armed forces, I can't agree with you less! I defend freedom, that includes the right to express an opposing opinion, not just one that agrees with my viewpoint. And actually, the secessionists want you to leave. They ain't going nowhere my friend.

And, as a retired military officer, I tell you that while people have a right to varying opinions - and I also fought to preserve and protect that - they do NOT have a right to tear apart this Union.

Secession is a treasonable act, and we fought one great Civil War to prevent that happening ever again.

Opinion is NOT an excuse for treason.

Those who do not like President Obama are just like those who did not like President Bush (43); they are Americans, entitled to opinions, but NOT entitled to actions against the Constitution or the tearing apart of our Union.

Get over it, folks; Obama is the President of all Americans, just as Bush (43) was the President of all Americans. Move on to solving the many problems of this great nation, which decades of bad decisions have created.

For those who are bashing the "Secession" movement as something Un-American......let me ask you, how do think the Country became free from England? Was it by bowing down to every whim of the King?

Have any of you actually read the Declaration of Independence??

Take a gander at it and tell me the same thing isn't happening today. Oh, sure, I know I am crazy for asking another to read something.....especially something as conspiratorial as the Constitution, but for any person who still has the ability to think for themselves.......go read it and tell me the same thing isn't happening today.
And it has nothing to do with Obama, Romney nor Bush, it's the system enacting the madness.

And for those who continue to speak of DEMOCRACY.......this country wasn't established as a Democracy......the men were wise enough to realize the reality of Democracy as 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Democracy is mob rule.....rule of mob.
The Republic is supposed to be Rule of Law.

Obamacare, SSI, Medicare, etc....is Democracy in action. In a Republic, people like me who do not want to participate in the thievery are protected.

The recent tax votes in CA shows how horrible Democracy is.....people had a chance to raise taxes on all......of course they voted against that....but by golly, the chance to raise taxes on the "rich," well the mob got behind that and voted for others to be taxed.

Screw Democracy.

You got it ass-backwards lady. Rich people got rich on the backs of the poor, stealing their labor and begrudging them a living wage. That is what capitalism is all about, and that is why people feel entitled, because the system is rigged.

Jo Ann, I am not sure why you object to lunch being served to school children. Study after study shows hunger has a considerable negative impact on school achievement. In fact many schools offer breakfast and send food home for children over the weekend to improve school achievement. Children who participate in subsidized meals come from families whose wage earners do not make enough to provide food, shelter and clothing, some of them military families. The failure to improve the minimum wage for jobs means that even with two or three jobs, families can go hungry. Food at school is an attempt to level the opportunity field so that not only the wealthy are educated. "We would punish the wealthy for being EDUCATED." ??? Your logic is a bit off. sort of like your economic ideas. Let me help you with some research: The Economist magazine. Time has revealed "realities"; you might not have been listening, reading or watching..

It is sad that your efforts were not appreciated in the ways you wanted them to be. Good for you for trying. However, doing "good works" for gratitude or to see people behave the way you think they should, is really very self-centered. I don't mean to be unkind to you, but the gift of service is exactly that, a gift. To expect gratitude for giving help is focusing on your needs and not the needs of those who are being helped. I am no longer surprised by your outlook, but I am very sorry for you. When one tackles difficult problems either as an individual or as a community, success is not always immediate or even defined in ways one would like. The point is to keep trying, to keep planting the seeds and to be delighted by whatever sprouts. I hope you find a way to serve that meets your needs and brightens your outlook.

the govenor and mayer of st.pete sucks.