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Should Florida Counties Allow Domestic Registry?
Pinellas County will become the sixth county in Florida to adopt a domestic registry, if commissioners approve the proposal.
St. Petersburg, Clearwater and Gulfport already have their own local domestic registries recognizing same-sex marriages.
Now Pinellas County expects to vote in 2013 on a proposal for a countywide domestic registry that grants domestic partners – gay and straight – many of the same rights as married couples.
A public hearing is scheduled for Jan. 15.
Although domestic registries are catching on across the nation, from Key West to Kansas City, Florida has a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union between a man and a woman.
Should Pinellas County, Florida, adopt a domestic registry? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
Even as Florida counties adopt domestic registries, the state will not recognize them. Do you agree? Leave your views in the comments below.
The provision would allow, in part, domestic partners to make health care decisions for each other, including for end-of-life care, among other things.
Should domestic partners be granted rights now given only to men and women who are married? What do you think?
Lori
2:03 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
So if you are living with someone for 6 months and split you get the benies? Not right...
jan lowe
8:11 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Wrong Lori! If you split you do not get the "benies". You must be living together. Additionally there are only 6 "benies" as compared to the 1,100 you would get if you marry a stranger off the street and then split & never see or hear from them again. Now THAT is what is not right!,,
jan lowe
8:11 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
You are wrong! If u leave you do not get this whopping 6 "benies" however if you marry a stranger and then leave you can have the 1,100 "benies" even if you leave and never see or speak to each other again!
jan lowe
8:11 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
The comment by the PATCH that "local domestic partner registries recognize same-sex marriages" Domestic Partner Registries (DPR), are not equal to marriage! A DPR only has approximately six benefits to registered partners; same-sex and heterosexual couples. However, a recognized marriage at the federal level confers over eleven hundred benefits, not the least of which are survivorship benefits and exemption from inheritance taxes. For example the 83 year old widow, Edie Windsor, was required to pay in excess of $300,000 in taxes because her legal spouse, also female, left her the home they shared for fourth plus years.
Pinellas County passing the DPR will benefit the county by bringing forward looking businesses into the area! While a DPR is far from equality, it is a start and the right thing to do.
sue smith
8:01 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Personally I do not understand all the uproar or why exactly anyone is so concerned with who someone is with or why it is bothersome to anyone that two people who love one another and are sharing a life together want EQUAL protection ...noone is asking for anything special or special rights, just EQUAL rights, how is that hurting anyone. I say let all couples live and peace and have the same rights and benefits afforded any couple.
Lance Somers
10:17 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Amen
Cecilia
1:24 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I second that!!!!!
Dan Pressler
8:01 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
do we want pro gay (LGBT) businesses in our community? have we gone that far from the beliefs & morals that founded our country? the DPR just encourages/promotes adultery (sex outside of marriage) & makes it too easy for people to walk are from kids since they do not have to be married to the other parent
Lance Somers
10:17 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Ugh!
Cecilia
1:24 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
double ugh : (
Diana Kane
11:34 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
triple ugh!
Seriously, Dan? I'm pretty sure you haven't given this idea much thought. But there are thousands of LGBT folks all around you who have been denied the very same benefits that heterosexuals have always enjoyed. Do you really believe that suppressing who one is leads to a healthy society? If you haven't thought about this, please do.
I have been with my partner longer than most heterosexual married couples we know and yet no matter how many times we dot our I's and cross our T's if her conservative, Christian mother decides to contest her daughter's will; I could be left without anything.
Here's one more thing for you to ponder: what if one of your daughters or sons discovers s/he is LGBT? Wouldn't you want the same rights for your child as you?
Homosexuality and gender identity issues aren't going anywhere. It's time for our communities to not only acknowledge us, but also embrace us and all that we add to our communities. We are everywhere.
Michael D.
3:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dan,
What would those beliefs and morals be, being the fact that most of the founding fathers were not what most would consider christians. There is no mention of God or Lord other than in the proper writing of the dates in the documentation that created this nation. How does pro LGBT businesses make it any easier for people to walk away from their kids. The divorce rate in this country according to the census bureau is 51%. Also how does it promote adultery? Do you have some real facts/statistics that it promotes it more than people who are married? It sounds like you are making an agrument without anything to back said agrument.
Diane S
5:41 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
If marriage were legalized for gay and lesbian couples, then the "adultery" would be eliminated, and the ease with which they could "walk away" from their children would be the same as for heterosexual couples. Problem solved!
Paul Ray
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
First off, we pay taxes like anyone else and yet we are entitled to none of the benefits straight people are allowed. Is that in your mind fair or even moral? Second of all, I am a born again Christian and openly Gay and in a relationship for 14 years. Again, are you going to even mention morality? My relationship between the Lord and I is exactly that, between he and I, and I have no nudging from the Holy Spirit that it is in anyway unacceptable. Thirdly, I look around myself and cannot find but a small number of straight couples that have been together for even half as long we have, albeit my Mom and Dad were married for 56 years till my Mom passed away. So where does all the crap come from about DPR encourages/promotes adultery? And making it easier to walk away from kids? Walking away from kids can be done married or not and has nothing to do with DPR. Where are your facts?
Robert Heiney
12:19 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
You're just a hater. Pure and simple. Hate will consume you and swallow you whole. Paul Ray is absolutely right! He pays his taxes to the government, just like the rest of us. Why shouldn't he reap the benefits. As far as morality goes, who are YOU to judge anyone! You must first expose your moral aptitude before we judge someone else. And it must include everything! The big question here is WHY does it bother anyone, about other people and their personal sexual choices? Don't worry about it.
Melody Urso
8:01 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Yes! Yes! Yes! There is absolutely no logical reason to not endorse same sex marriage and the benefits that same sex couples deserve. The same sex couples I know here in Dunedin have longer marriages than most others I know.
Woody Richey
9:01 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I think it's a grand idea. Many older citizens are living together without benefit of marriage due to pension and SSI benefits. This would give them some recognition and some benefits. Admittedly a paltry 6 compared to 1,100, but it's a start.
Go, Pinellas County, GO!
sue smith
9:01 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
In response to Dan Presslers comment......How do you come to such a conclusion...it actually made me chuckle....to say it promotes adultery??? and makes it easy for people to walk away from the children?? Because we all know hetrosexual couples never walk away from the children right? And straight couples never commit adultery??
Society as a whole has always had moral issues, straight or gay....and just so you know, you probably have done or will do business with a gay person at some point in your life and just were not aware of it, and surprise you are still living your life....as I see it no one is asking for extra or special rights just some of the same rights afforded any married couple. How it would affect my life in any way shape or form, well that would be , none at all.....what our country was founded on has so gone by the wayside in so many ways and this is not one of them.
tony starez
10:17 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I'll keep it short...I believe in equality!!
Maryellen Farinas
10:17 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
The only thing these ordinances allow is for living together couples to be able to take advantage of the benefits of the partner when they don't have benefits of their own. Just like a married couple would. It'll muddy the waters because it's easier to break up if you're just living together , but it is fair for couples who deserve and need these benefits.
sue smith
10:39 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I am not sure how you think it makes it easier to break up?? I believe its just as easy for anyone to break up no matter what. It just all depends on the people involved, gay or straight , morals and sense of responsibility is with the individual, not with what rights they do or do not have. I have witnessed many couples break up, both gay and straight, and for some straigh or gayt, married or not married couples , some walked away very easily and some did not, as I said it depends on the individual.
Grace
11:09 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Personally I don't know why such a big deal is being made about something which really isn't marriage? As y'all know we get a lot of snowbirds coming down from Canada every winter and gay marriage is legal there. I have asked my neighbors (and remember these are all people 70+) what they think about it. They have said it's not a big deal. It's in the Canadian Constititution which was modeled after the American one. The sky hasn't fallen, families haven't fallen apart, society is still in one piece, the Chuches haven't imploded, there's no increase in child molesting (which are arguments I have heard down here against it), 2 consenting adults of the same sex marry, and can divorce, they pay taxes, they collect each other's social security if the other one dies, and they have hospital visitation rights and make decisions. Good heck, this is the 21st century, I never thought I'd ever see an African American (ok he's 1/2) President in office, and if gays and lesbians actually want to get married, come on now. We have other things to worry about! A domestic partner registry? Give me a break. Just let people marry and be done with it.
SMILING
4:39 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
AMEN...... REMEMBER IF YOU THINK ITS A SIN.......YOUR JUDGING IS JUST AS BIG OF A SIN.......NO SIN IS GREATER THAN ANOTHER..... CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. I AM AN ADULT RAISED BY A MOTHER AND A FATHER THAT DIVORCED WHEN I WAS 2...... BOTH REMARRIED AND DIVORCED AGAIN........THEY ARENT GAY......THEY JUST WERENT HAPPY :( LET ME TELL YOU WHAT MESSES WITH A KID.......COURT......FOR WHO GETS WHAT....INCLUDING THE KIDS. SO WORRY ABOUT YOUR HOUSE PLEASE AND YOUR MARRIAGE SO THAT YOU CAN BETHE BEST AT WHAT EVER YOU ARE IN THAT RELATIONSHIP....AND PS WHO CARES IF WE ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH GAY PEOPLE....BRING IT ON THEY ARE SOMETIMES THE BEST SHOPPERS ;) <3
TransPlant
5:27 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Christians do not yell at each other, turn off the caps
TransPlant
5:27 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Sick of hearing about who sleeps with who . . .
Dan Pressler
5:27 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
smiling - first: please don't SHOUT - second: i too am a child of divorce & know how damaging that can be. What was an abomination to our founding fathers is still an abomination. True marriage makes it harder for parents to divorce & leave any kids unprovided for. one of the major purposes of marriage is to provide for children - gay couples can not produce children naturally, Florida has defined marriage as one man & one woman - this DPR is just a way to get around the intent of the law.
Michael D.
3:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dan,
How do you know it was an abomination to them? Do you have some documentation or direct quote that says they were against it. I guess those strong "christian" beliefs that are falsely (other than John Adamsn) assumed that the Founding Fathers had are what you are making a judgment on. Then again, lets us follow our Founding Fathers in all waves of thought, make Slavery Legal again, because that wasn't morally wrong to them.
Lori
9:51 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I lost my health ins when my husband of 25 years left to live with a tramp he met in a bar after 2 months...I lose my benies and she gets them? WRONG!
jan lowe
12:56 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Folks, there is a website that offers info in this issue. Domesticpartnerregistry.com that offers information a d FACTS about whT a DPR is and is not. I encourage you to review it.
sue smith
9:22 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Seriously Dan Pressler?? Gay couples cannot produce children naturally?? Wow....Again I chuckle at your comments, you really should think things through before you speak, there are many straight couples who are unable to have children in what you call the "natural" way , so they also must find alternative methods, this issue does not just affect the gay community, and FYI there are many gay couples who have done it the "natural" way. I am still laughing.....
Juju Stevens
11:15 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
I am fairly sure that I know as many gay couples as I do "straight" couples and, as a whole, the gay couples have been together longer. My best friend and his partner have been together for almost 30 years now. In the meantime, they've been forced to carry 2 health insurance policies, had to buy their previous home in the name of a partnership and pay extra taxes in order to protect each other, not been able to make health care decisions for each other etc. etc. etc.
The DPR is about ANY couple; it takes the same legal process to create or undo regardless of your orientation. While I have few problems with a church refusing to bless a marriage, which is all a church ceremony is, I have BIG problems with the state refusing to recognize a legally constituted couple, again regardless of configuration. (I hate the word orientation).
monica
12:28 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
FORWARD..........people......evolve. .....and accept! Happy 2013 and 21st century everyone-----:-)
-Ed Harris-
3:00 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
There are many people out there with strong religious beliefs that dictate they not condone nor recognize various other types of people who differ from their given religious beliefs. While individual belief is a cornerstone in our society, it is quickly forgotten that this practice is to be held privately, such as in your home, church or place of worship. In the public realm we are tasked with coexisting in peace. While perfect harmony and equality are a myth due to our flaws as humans it is not an excuse to not aspire or try. Most religions require their patrons to be the "better man", if you will. We live in an age of technology that permits most to know the historical facts of mans history without relying on one religious accounting. Same sex marriage predates the organized church and was conducted openly in the church until 1100 AD and then we moved into the Dark Ages, really need I say more. Just because you or your religion does not like, condone or permit same sex marriage, should have no bearing on and should never have a bearing on the law of the land in America. The people who don't like it have the same rights as the people who do like it. If you condone it practice it, if you don't condone it don't practice it. Our Constitution is very clear that all are created equal and all have the same rights endowed by their creator. Not your creator for me or my creator for you. In fact, your creator for you and my creator for me. We are not Gods, we are humans act like it!
Dad of Three
9:28 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
Of course Florida should allow domestic registry.
When two people love each other, and commit to a monagamous relationship, it does not matter what the gender of each committing party is.
Committed relationships merit the same governmental treatment, and insurance rights, and any other rights that employer give to different sex married couples.
As to the absurd comment by one poster above, I have a work colleague who has been in his committed relationship with another man for about eighteen years (and counting) and they adopted two girls from a Chinese orphanage eleven and nine years ago.
They are wonderful and loving parents, and the girls are doing splendidly.
My colleague and his male spouse (they were subsequently married when some states changed their laws) should have always had the same rights as my wife and I have.
Judge not, lest ye be judged, and the judgment be found wanting in you.
Juju Stevens
1:46 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Under anti-misegenation laws, I could not have legally married Dan in some states until after 1967, when Loving vs. Virginia was decided. (Not that we could have married that young... but you see my point. or at least, everyone should).
When reviewing California's Proposition 8 (which restricted marriage to opposite-sex couples), Judge Vaughn R. Walker cited Loving v. Virginia to conclude that "the [constitutional] right to marry protects an individual's choice of marital partner regardless of gender". On more narrow grounds, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed.
E King
1:46 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
For all the "ugh's" There are LEGAL ways to pass-on, share, make medical decisions or adopt children without dragging the whole of society into the pit of degradation of society without the pushing of a few to acceptance of perverse unnatural lifestyles.
Call an attorney and get whatever you want done legally, don't drag the rest of us down your rat hole!
Michael D.
3:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
E King,
How is this the degradation of society or a few preverse unnatural lifestyles. What happen to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
Cecilia
3:51 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
" pit of degradation of society without the pushing of a few to acceptance of perverse unnatural lifestyles." What a statement! LOLOLOL HAHAHAH. Why on earth do YOU care who some one else marries/loves/lives with IF you are not involved, i.e. marrying loving or living with. Get over yourself. Pit of degradation, what terminology - still laughing.....
Paul Ray
10:26 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Amazing. A comment that contextually and grammatically made zero sense. Thanks for the chuckle, now please crawl back under that rock would you?
Dunedin Observer
3:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
What's next, marry your dog? Your sister, brother? Just heard today of a guy who donated his sperm to two lesbians, the females split and now he is ordered to pay child support even though he signed a contract and just donated sperm. Be careful what you wish for, there are alot of ramifications and stuff you haven't thought about.
Being celibate is the best way to roll. Avoid aids, kids, and a naging partner.
Cecilia
3:51 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
I like my dog much much more than I do most people......
-Ed Harris-
3:21 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Mr King you really should not refer to Christians as being perverse!
Dan Pressler
3:53 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
michael d - there is extensive references to Christianity in the personal papers of many/most/all of the founding fathers - not surprising considering a majority of them were seminary educated. Even Jefferson, whose beliefs were rather unusual, believed in Christian Morals. Plus there is that little clause "We are endowed by our Creator (another title for God the Father) with certain unalienable rights....."
Michael D.
12:39 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Dan,
With the old Communism history texts there were a lot of "Christian" morals put on our Founding Fathers. But as those restraints were taken off and real research has been put into their past you will see most followed the basic rules of religious code that has been around much longer than the 100 CE/BC that Christianity started. Also how do you know whom the Creator they refer to is. Being "God" isn't mentioned at all. Judaism started roughly 1500 B.C. or Hinduism started around 2000 B.C.. How do we know they were not referring to them. As far as Adultery, most of our Founding Fathers were well into that.
-Ed Harris-
4:45 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Dan, Creator may be another name for your god the father but may not be that for someone else hence the pure genius of the writers. We are a nation, not a christian nation. A nation of many not just WASP's and for the first time White men are permanently out numbered by women, and other races of people. Which in translation means democracy can finally begin. But hey, there is still plenty of land in South America to be had and dominated by mid-evil ideas. As for here, we are moving forward! Together! Wanna come? Great! If not, your loss!
Dan Pressler
11:35 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Ed - do you realize "Forward" is the tag line of many socialist/marxist/communist groups. America was founded by Christians - look at the history of Jamestown, Plymouth Rock, Pennsylvania as some of the many examples of the Christian foundations of America. America is not a Democracy - it is a Republic. It is supposed to be a constitutional Republic but Obama & his Forward Crowd are ignoring laws & the constitution. If you want to live someplace other than the america I grew up in you are more than welcome to move someplace else as you seem to desire I do. There is no way on Gods green & shining planet that I would willingly join the immoral, atheistic, fiscally bankrupt society you seem to favor. By becoming the only country in the world that does not expect immigrants to adapt to the existing culture (I know we did not so that when we arrived but that is not a topic for this thread) we have become something less than what we were.
Robert Heiney
3:55 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
America wasn't "Founded" by anyone. It was always here. Christians just stole it from it's rightful inhabitants. Now that's the Christian way! Isn't it.
-Ed Harris-
10:18 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Dan, Happy New Year! I'll say a prayer for you. BTW we are all immigrants!
michael mirra
10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Not ALL immigrants. There was a whole race of people living here before Anglo-Saxons arrived. That is when we began to bully, buy & steal a homeland. We perpertrated genocide upon the red man in THEIR homeland. The Anlgo-Saxons were the aliens that the people that lived here tried to expel, but our technological advancement led to the GOOD CHRISTIANS slaughtering the occupants of this land.
Lance Somers
10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Been watching this thread today. Your problem is much like educated men of old trying to persuade the general populace the earth was not flat, as was accepted by the dunderheads of the day.
Robert Heiney
3:55 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Domestic Partners, should only get what's theirs. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to share 50/50, then get married. Same sex too! Who really gives a crap if they don't throw it in your faces, or flaunt it. Let's marry our pets too. Man you people should have better things to bitch about. Like income taxes! Let's get rid of that first, then we can worry about who lives with who or marries anyone!
Shelley
5:41 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Live & Let Live. Pass it.
Dan Pressler
5:41 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Ed - I doubt your prayers are to my God or the God of the Founding Fathers. As I acknowledged - although obliquely - I know we are all either immigrants (or from immigrant ancestors. Even the 'native' Americans immigrated from Asia via the Bering straights but there were no natives here at that time.
michael mirra
10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Talk about your God & the God of the founding Fathers. If you are a modern day religious right advocate, check out this scene of the real christ defing the religious right of his time. That's why he was killed. You might want to see it as some God's master plan, but it was apolitical assasination. He was too left leaning, too radical & had too much influence. The religious right & the romans eliminated him because he was treasonous. Blasphomy is religious treason against the established order.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xq6VStVcY8
-Ed Harris-
10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Dan- Your insensitivity and unchristian like comments are only outdone by your historical ignorance. In fact actual history shows us the following: Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism". Dan that study was done in 2012 and is very current and widely recognized by the Historical Community. We are but a nation of American people.
michael mirra
9:10 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
ed harris is too educated for this post. he knows what he's talking about & he's way above the heads of these people here. They'll never relate to the theistic rationalism & they will think you're off base because it shakes their reality spere & they find that a threat. They won't digest what you said. It will just make them mad at you & they'll think you're crazy. Your statment is way beyond their powers of comprehension.
Michael D.
12:39 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Thank you Ed,
Couldn't find that study. Dan is obviously going with the old U.S. Communism History text which were formatted by the Government to teach Americans that we were in the religious right in our fight against Communism. And the only apple tree story as well.
winfredable
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
People should treat other person as equally. studentshelp.info
Diane Randolph
10:26 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Absolutely Pinelas County should establish a Domestic Partner Registry. This will take nothing away from anyone, but will give peace of mind to domestic partners who will then have the same rights as married couples. Time to join the real world and stop being selfish.