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The Tampa Bay Rays say they need a new stadium. St. Petersburg officials say the team is contractually obligated to remain at Tropicana Field for another 14 years. What do you think should happen, Tampa Bay?
It’s a brouhaha that’s been brewing in the Tampa Bay area for years: The Tampa Bay Rays say they need a new stadium. The City of St. Petersburg holds a contract that says the Major League Baseball team is obligated to play at Tropicana Field through the year 2027.
Even so, the Rays haven’t been quiet about their perceived need for a newer, better stadium. A few years back, they floated the idea of building a new stadium on St. Petersburg’s waterfront. That idea was nixed in the court of public opinion.
Now, team officials are planning to meet with both the Hillsborough and Pinellas County Commissions. The Hillsborough meeting, which will be open to the public, is set up for Jan. 24. The meeting with Pinellas officials takes place Jan. 29.
Officials from Hillsborough County are saying the meetings are meant to simply open regional dialogue with the team. Pinellas is indicating the same thing. This is despite the fact that new stadium locations have been scouted by the team and include spots in both counties – outside the city of St. Pete, according to the Tampa Bay Times.
The Trop was built with funding from St. Petersburg and Pinellas County with some help from the state. The overall cost of building and maintaining the stadium is anticipated to rise to $323 million by the year 2016, according to a story published in the Times in 2008. The original cost was set at $85 million.
While it’s too soon to tell what the Rays hope to gain from talking to the two counties, St. Petersburg Mayor Bill Foster is clear on one thing: “As long as the first pitch isn’t before 2028, they can talk about anything they want,” the Times reported him as saying.
What do you think Tampa Bay? Do you agree with Mayor Foster? Should the Rays have to play at the Trop through 2027? Or, do you think it’s time for the team to move on to greener pastures? Share your thoughts in the comments section.
Christopher Cooley
12:42 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
No. The Tropicana is a trash can. If the City is not going to rebuild or improve it in any way to increase interest and attendance for a team that is worthy (and I am not a Rays fan but they are a great team), then they should go where they are wanted. Like Pasco County, we would be honored to be the home of the Rays...and if someone had the vision that former Commissioner Cox did, the Rays would know this.
Jimmy T.
10:53 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I love the Rays and I LOVE Tropicana Field. Ferg's should hold deciding pre and post game vote!
Concerned Floridian
4:01 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Jimmy T. : Ferg's is welcome to pay for it.
michael mirra
1:23 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Like Pasco County? I love it. I too live in Pasco County & would welcome such a move. It isn't going to happen. The problem isn't Tropicana Field. All the complaints are hype. There's nothing wrong with Tropicana Field. The problem is people that live here & root for teams from cities a thousnd miles away in places they no longer live, when they have one of the best teams in Baseball as their real home team. The Yankee fans are the worst. They even have Yankee games broadcast on the Radio here & people that should be Ray's fans give their aligence to the arch enemy of Tampa Basball. If it wasn't for Yankee & Red Sox fans in this area rejecting the home town team, our team would be a permanent fixture here instead that we have to worry about them becoming the Charlotte Rays, or the Las Vagas Rays. A new stadium won't make Tampa Bay's non fans into fans. People rooting for their home team & going to the games of their home team will keep them in Tampa Bay. The land of the free & the home of the Rays.
Dawn Robinson
6:03 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I agree 100%
Chely Hernández-Miller
1:53 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I love Tropicana Field...the owners should upgrade the stadium and stay for 14 years.....GO RAYS!
Joshua Bethea
2:22 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I moved to Tampa in 08', their breakout year. I still call Tampa my home and am now a Rays fan as well as an Atlanta Braves fan. Every time I go to see a Rays game I have fun at the game, but trying to find a decent spot to chill and relax close to the stadium before the game is depressing. There is just not much there and what is there is mediocre and disappointing . A fresh move into a more happening place like Channelside, or Soho would certainly be a better place to go watch a game. Certainly better than taking a day off to drive across the bridge and go to a part of St. Pete with nothing to offer.
Dick
2:53 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Interesting words "move on to greener pastures"...and leave the taxpayers with a white elephant and its associated mess. Frankly I don't care where they play as long as its on their dime and not mine!
Concerned Floridian
4:03 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Sport franchises should be self-sufficient and pay for their own costs. This is not amateur sports & games. A private and for-porfit business should take care of itself and not rely on public funds.
Johann
4:41 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
You can thank Rick Scott for the inevitable relocation of the Rays to another market. When he refused the $2bn for HSR from Tampa to Orlando, that set the chances of building a light rail system in this metro area back at least a decade. You will never get enough butts in the seats without mass transit, new stadium or not. And it completely dissolved Tampa's chances of getting the Rays because downtown Tampa is a nightmare for traffic without the HSR hub that would have brought in fans from Orlando & the I-4 corridor. Until moving day comes, the Rays should be renting a massive fleet of party busses to make up their own mini-mass transit system during baseball season. I'd go to more games if I could drive 1/2 mile and hop on a party bus and not have to worry about parking, dui's, etc.
michael mirra
7:03 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I don't see anything wrong with the Trop. I went to Ebbets Field, & The Polo grounds with my Father as a child. It was at least an hour each way. The trip was worth it.
As a teenager, my friends & I took the train to Yankee Stadium & Shea Stadium.
Those stadiums weren't the luxury resorts that people think they need today. Those big, fancy stadiums are a novelty for a short time & then it wears off. Look at Miami.
It comes down to how many fans care about the team's standings. In Tampa Bay the problem is that people moved from other cities & don't ever really become Tampa Bay people. They think they are still residents of their former cities & are just currently living away from home.
They gave up their old aligences in football & now support the Bucs, but contrary to common belief, Baseball is still the Sport closest to out hearts, because many of us form aligences for life.
I was a Mets fan once, but the Mets today aren't my Mets. They play in the same place & wear the same uniform, but my Mets had names like Cleon Jones, Ron Swaboda, Ron Hunt, Don Clandenon, Hot Rod Kaneel, etc. For a time after the Dodgers left Brooklyn & before the Mets, My team had names like Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle, Moose Skowran, Tony Kubeck, etc. That was then. I live here NOW & my team NOW is David Price, Longo , Hell Boy, Desmond Jennings, Matt Joyce & Zorilla
I live in Tampa Bay-The Tampa Bay Rays are my team. If you live in Tampa Bay, they should be your team too.
cg vandette
7:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
the new owners paid a lot of money fot the team(business).they knew the business had a contract to rent the building for a number of years.a contract is a contract. they would not let any contracted players walk off and play somewhere else would they? they can play whatever where ever as long as they pay what the contract says they signed for.
David Mauerman
7:51 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Let them go St. Pete
Jerry Wayne
9:12 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Turn the Trop into an open stadium, retractable dome for those rainy days. Who want's to go to a indoors baseball game on a beautiful sunny day?
JR
11:44 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Bottom line is that they can't attract enough corporate sponsors to the Trop that's where teams make a big chunk of their revenue. Also, unlike where the Lightning play people can't wait to leave that area after the games. Other than Ferg's there is nowhere else to go around there especially at night. If the Rays don't move to Tampa or somewhere else in Pinellas they will move out of the state and the Mayor can use his contract to wipe his tears with as he jumps up and down saying I have contract, I have a contract!
Spunky
7:34 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I do not approve of any tax payers money to help them get a new stadium. After no raises, and pay cuts from the school board, then more pay cuts thanks to Governor Scott and President Obama……all I can say is Good Bye RAYS.
Brian Braun
7:58 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Every city I have ever lived in, the baseball team or football team pulls this every few years at the tax payers expense, you end up like Cincinnati, with empty stadiums littered all over the place. I say that we let teams build their own stadiums and when they threaten to leave, we let them. It is a self serving system that only benefits a few wealthy individuals.
michael mirra
8:47 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
They do threaten to leave most likely as an intimidation factor. However, sometimes they do leave & people here don't support the team. All said & done, we do have one of the lowest attendance totals, if not the lowest, in baseball & we have one of the best teams in baseball here. In many cities, it is just posturing to get a new stadium. Here it has substance because people don't go to the games. I don't care if they have a new stadium, but I do care that people here don't support them.
Last season, at work, while the Yankees were on a hot streak; two of my coworkers passed each other & one said to the other, "Go Yankees". These people live here & they are the reason we might lose our team. I have an old friend that moved here about 3-4 years ago that is also a Yankee fan.
I have relatives that live here 20 yrs that are still Yankee fans. I'm sure there are also Red Sox fans in the area.
If we don't support our team, we won't have a team. I'm not saying to build a new stadium. The trop is fine. What I am saying is that everyone should go to at least two games a year. That's not much, but it is a one of a kind experience & is well worth it. If corporations gave their employees packages of tickets as bonuses, & organized employee excursions of large groups as corporate outings to build moral, etc. it would put butts in the seats. At least more butts than they have now. remember, the Expos left because of no attendance.
Get to some games, or lose your team.
Jeffrey Rosenfield
3:50 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Michael, contrary to popular belief, many fans of other teams actually help they Rays attendance, since they are the ones who have been going to the Trop faithfully for years. Full disclosure: I am a Red Sox fan. I'm also a diehard baseball fan. I go to the Trop to watch baseball. I don't just go when Boston is in town. I had season tickets in 1999 and have been to hundreds of games since the Rays have been in existence, including the first game ever. How many 'loyal' Rays fans can say that? The real problem is this area is full of fairweather fans when it comes to sports. The same situation has occurred with the Bucs and Lightning - when they're not winning, fans don't go to games. The situation is different with the Rays, who don't draw even though they have been winning since 08, because they have many more games AND the stadium is unfavorable. There is a multitude of factors involved as to why attendance is suffering and the team might move. Having fans of other teams in the area is, in my opinion, one small component.
Michael D.
4:12 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Jeffrey,
I would agree, when I had the partial season tickets. Rays fans would be outnumbered by visiting fans on a regular basis. I believe the other fans help the attendence more than hurt it. I believe there are fans like me who have been burnt out by the current ownership. The drive to the Trop especially for a big game isn't ideal. I agree with farweather fans, I enjoyed going to games regardless of the score, my first season with the income to go to many games was 2006. And it is a good family experience, especially then. It usually takes two generations to gave a loyal native fan base, and right now we are still in first generation of fans.
Jeffrey Rosenfield
4:19 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Sounds like we have a lot in common, Michael! I had a partial season ticket plan also. We know there are many Rays fans in the area. The TV numbers have been great the last few years, and people everywhere are sporting their gear. The problem must lie somewhere else. We also know many people don't want to travel from Tampa to the Trop, for whatever reason. I think the economy, the amount of games and the stadium are all big contributing factors to the low attendance. The thing is, I don't think moving the team to another part of the TB area will solve the problem. It will just shift the issues to another part of the community. The owners and MLB really need to see if Major League Baseball is sustainable here. Perhaps having so many teams train here in the spring is enough for some people?
Michael D.
4:24 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Jeffrey,
For me it was the ownership of the Rays that pushed me away. I was spending a good amount of money each time I went, but I was continuously being told as a fan I wasn't doing enough for the team. I then tried out the Clearwater Threshers in Clearwater, and to experience the same number of games and enjoy the same concessions, instaed of dropping 90-150 I was dropping 20-50 a game. And there is a different feel, and the staff at the park is extremely friendly. So they won me over with their customer service and outdoor baseball in August isn't that bad.
Bob Newcomb
11:21 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I think we should have a mass divorce/marriage ceremony at the Top and soon.
I am from Massachusetts and was a lifelong Boston Red Sox fan. Seven years ago I moved to Gulfport full time, no Snowbird I. If I was able to do that and leave my family behind in the snow and ice, I could most certainly decide to switch my allegiance to my new home team, the Rays. Once I made the decision to do just that, I discovered that the young, overachieving Rays were a lot more fun and every time I went to the Trop, I didn't have to get a bank loan as I did in Boston.
In other words, I decided to have an amicable divorce from the Red Sox. I still root for them when they play against non-division teams, but I always root for the Rays. I buy their hats and jackets. I tick off my Massachusetts friends and family when I brag about how much better the Rays are than the Sox. I'm hooked and I love it.
All of us Tampa Bay converts should have a ceremony, where, together, we can formerly divorce our former home town teams. We should do it at the Trop with a whole lot of ceremony. Then we should all pledge our loyalty to our Rays with the promise that we will support them in every way. Maybe we could have an anniversary party every year. If all of us newcomers learned to love our Rays and committed ourselves to our full support, all this talk about low attendance at whatever stadium they were to play in would be moot.
Michael D.
11:27 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Am a little different on the subject. I am a former partial season ticket holder (half season), who got tired of hearing the ownership group tell me I wasn't doing my part to keep the team in Tampa Bay. So my $40-100 I was spending not including tickets for at least 30 games was good enough, I was being told I should be doing more to support the team. So I made the decision that I moved away from an ungrateful Rays Ownership to supporting the local single A team Clearwater Threshers. Where I go to about 20-30 games a year. The travel for me is 5 minutes round trip, and the staff is always seems happy to see me. I also support the Lightning a few games a year.
Michael D.
11:37 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Apologize, Line should read
So my $40-100 I was spending not including tickets for at least 30 games wasn't good enough,
Concerned Floridian
5:02 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Agree. Professional owners have become such glutons, greedier and greedier. You're sharing that amateur or semi-professional teams appear to offer a better experience overall. For the sport as well as for the entertainment. Thanks for the information.
Michael D.
5:44 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Concerned,
I enjoy it a lot. Especially when they run specials like all you can eat tickets, buy one get one free tickets, $1 day where ticket and 20 food items are just a $1, etc.. I am able to afford to take my finance, 3 nieces and myself and with everything included on dollar day walk out of the park spending only $30 for 4 hours of entertainment. The staff at Bright House Field are extremely nice. On Saturday Nights their is fireworks after the game, which my nieces love.
Michael D.
5:45 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Also can be in the Front Row behind homeplate for only $18.
Joe Tortorici
2:28 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I love baseball. I also love America and the Tampa area.
Let's put things in perspective. In this economic climate how can anybody justify burdening taxpayers even more? Give me a break. The Trop, love it or hate it, houses the team an presents a clean adequate venue for baseball.
If the Rays ownership wants a new home, let them pay for it themselves.
D Turner
3:09 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Sadly the Rays are a farm team. They get good here, then move on to a market that appreciates them.
michael mirra
4:17 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I used to think that too, but noticed that other teams have let their high priced players just walk away when the contreact is over. Look at Zack Grenkee, Albert Poljols, Josh Hamilton, R.A. Dickey, etc. Many teams are letting players walk away,or trading them, no matter how good they are rather than pay the inflated money. The players that the Rays let walk away, or trade, don't seem to do so well after they leave. Look at Crawford. I also understand that he was a real Prima Donna & a pain in the ass to deal with. If someone is good, like Longo, they keep him. When Price reaches free agancy, he will be expensive enough for teams that sqander $, like Yankees, to pick him up & over pay him till he's way over the hill, like A-Rod.
MirrorLakeMan
5:00 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
First of all, it's not about what the fans want. Whether or not the Rays stay, will only be decided by the owners and the monied top percent. Considering how players are traded and moved around, all fans should realize that it's just a game and every team consists of an incestuous bunch of overpaid athletes. More power to them if they can dupe such salary from the fans; just to play a game. Of course it's big business. But any fan who feigns allegiance to the Rays should reconsider why they feel such allegiance. Every team is a "mutt" of every other team. Plus, if the Fenway, after all these years, can still house their team in the same stadium, then how petulant of St. Petersburg to want a new stadium on a capricious whim? Trop is fine for now. If you're ready for the higher ticket prices that will come with a new stadium, go ahead.
Plus, having a stadium in a urban area, is much more desirable than going out into a field in the middle of nowhere. Toytown will be an oasis for the fools who want to pay 7 dollars for a hotdog, $10 for parking, while being gouged for every other overpriced commodity because there's no other place to go. The owners will have the fans where they want them. The stadium that we have now, allows people to quickly and easily go into town before or after the game and do other activities; sober up before leaving town, and save tons of money; not to mention helping the community financially. Keep the Trop where it is until the contract ends!
Concerned Floridian
5:10 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Indeed. A nicely rounded reality pill.
Bob Doyle SR
11:31 am on Friday, February 8, 2013
Let the RAYS & MARLINS swap cities. Miami fans deserve a winning Baseball franchise. Saint Petersburg/Pinellas County can help the Tampa Bay Area fans grow a new fanbase from the area. WinWinWin.
michael mirra
1:31 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013
Does Bob dolye SR live in Miami? Wh had a half baked team for long enough. Now they are Champinship calber. Instead of complaining about them wanting a new stadium, lets just go to a couple of games a year. If each Rays fan went to two games a year, they woiuldn't be talking about needing to find a more lucretive stadium location. That's the whole issue. It's all about attenence. It is expensive, but when they are the team of another city, people will wish they went to a game, or two when they had the chance. I feel for the young children that are growing up as Rays fans because when I was twelve, my team up & moved to Los Angeles in 1958.